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Monarch Butterfly said:
In the rest of the world, they use specific transit signals, and without the sign clutter
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Including in City of Vaughan, ON. So, this is not a provincial traffic code issue. This is at the exit from Hwy 407 Station to Jane St.
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Sorry about the image quality, only the 2019 Streetview image had the vertical bar illuminated, and I'm not sure why the red Transit light is on at the same time!
 
Monarch Butterfly said:
The other problem is the use of regular traffic signals with English verbage sign clutter for the transit signals. People still mix up signals and will move on the transit signal. In the rest of the world, they use specific transit signals, and without the sign clutter. But Toronto (or more likely MTO) refuses to update their highway/road/transit signals. And no gate arms in Toronto to stop traffic for the light rail vehicles/streetcars because it would upset the car drivers.
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Actually I did see them using it for a few stretches in toronto for the streetcars.... crazy though why they're not having it widespread
 
urbancog said:
Including in City of Vaughan, ON. So, this is not a provincial traffic code issue. This is at the exit from Hwy 407 Station to Jane St.
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Sorry about the image quality, only the 2019 Streetview image had the vertical bar illuminated, and I'm not sure why the red Transit light is on at the same time!
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There are actually several examples throughout York Region, namely in places where they need dedicated bus light cycles.
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There's also one in Barrie right outside Allandale Waterfront
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Chaplinurbex said:
If anyone is interested in what the inside of Chaplin Station looks like:
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Look at those missing ceiling panels, you can tell the handover to the TTC has started and their standards people have been in the place.

I’d imagine they’ll have to yank a few more before the station is at full compliance with TTC spec
 
goodcitywhenfinished said:
Look at those missing ceiling panels, you can tell the handover to the TTC has started and their standards people have been in the place.

I’d imagine they’ll have to yank a few more before the station is at full compliance with TTC spec
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lmao, I was.going to comment the same thing when I saw the photos but decided to remain optimistic that this will be fixed

I do want to point out the fare box lol, will be obsolete once the line opens
 
nfitz said:
White! I love the colour scheme!
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They picked that during the design phase (long ago) because it shows how clean these new electric trains are compared to the old steam locomotive hauled trains other lines were using at the time.


Honestly, the construction timeline probably wouldn't bother me if Metrolinx staff didn't shit all over the TTC in the press for both Spadina delays and on Eglinton targeting 2022 (purposefully staggered station construction to reduce traffic/bus-service interruptions) rather than 2020.
 
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Monarch Butterfly said:
The other problem is the use of regular traffic signals with English verbage sign clutter for the transit signals. People still mix up signals and will move on the transit signal. In the rest of the world, they use specific transit signals, and without the sign clutter. But Toronto (or more likely MTO) refuses to update their highway/road/transit signals. And no gate arms in Toronto to stop traffic for the light rail vehicles/streetcars because it would upset the car drivers.
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It is likely some nonsense Metrolinx stipulation. KWs LRT (which Metrolinx didn't touch) doesn't have the same mess of signals. The signals they use where it is street running is a white bar that changes from being vertical (LRVs can move through the intersection) or horizontal (trains must stop and wait). The white bar will start flashing before it switches to warn the operators that a switch is happening.

This is the setup for KWs signal, the train signal is to the left. If you mix the train signal up with a traffic signal you really shouldn't be driving.
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Just got off the 34 from Kennedy to dvp.
I passed 3 trains who were operating at full speeds along the route. I have to say the biggest flaw has got to be the signaling as well as the stations being on the wrong side of the intersection in relation to the flawed signaling. As disastrous as the lack of light priority and the stupid premature red for trains aside, the fact that the train has to stop again shortly after crossing the intersection really is a double whammy to the travel time. The city seriously needs to pull their heads out of their asses to see just how badly they're running this. They need to stop thinking streetcar. That is unless its intentional sabotage to favour future lines to be subway.....
 
cplchanb said:
I passed 3 trains who were operating at full speeds along the route. I have to say the biggest flaw has got to be the signaling as well as the stations being on the wrong side of the intersection in relation to the flawed signaling. As disastrous as the lack of light priority and the stupid premature red for trains aside, the fact that the train has to stop again shortly after crossing the intersection really is a double whammy to the travel time. The city seriously needs to pull their heads out of their asses to see just how badly they're running this. They need to stop thinking streetcar. That is unless its intentional sabotage to favour future lines to be subway.....
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Are not far side stops safer for the passengers? You're not then competing with as many right-turning vehicles to cross to your transit stop.

Need I remind the "should be subways instead of streetcars" folks that the Sheppard Line has been on the brink of permanent closure TWICE because it's never come close to projected ridership? Aside from the initial capital cost, it's super expensive to run subways. Above ground lines are relatively easy to remove if it's the case that it's no longer needed. Subway tunnels, not so much. In fact, you still have to spend money maintaining the tunnel or you will sooner or later end up dealing with a safety hazard under existing home/infrastructure.
 
Regarding the dicussion of transit signals,

The only approved transit signal by the MTO is the single vertical bar atop a regular signal head:
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IIRC Ion LRT got special permission to use the more traditional european signal head:
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MTO updated Book 12 in 2024 and didn't include this style which is a massive disappointment.
 

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zang said:
Are not far side stops safer for the passengers? You're not then competing with as many right-turning vehicles to cross to your transit stop.

Need I remind the "should be subways instead of streetcars" folks that the Sheppard Line has been on the brink of permanent closure TWICE because it's never come close to projected ridership? Aside from the initial capital cost, it's super expensive to run subways. Above ground lines are relatively easy to remove if it's the case that it's no longer needed. Subway tunnels, not so much. In fact, you still have to spend money maintaining the tunnel or you will sooner or later end up dealing with a safety hazard under existing home/infrastructure.
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well they need to program the traffic signals to suit then! right now the control logic is if its on the nearside stop like a streetcar.
 
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