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The drivers are trained and the TTC is doing their final prep work to take over operations. Barring something absolutely catastrophic it's opening this year.

given my experience with the opening prep in Waterloo, they are likely giving everything a onceover before Revenue Service Demonstration to ensure everything is optimal. Some of the things they did in Waterloo was do all the regular routine maintenance on the vehicles, often ahead of when it would normally be scheduled, and run the vehicle trucks through the wheel lathe to bring the wheels back to their optimal profile. Basically eliminate as many possible points of failure ahead of the start of RSD
Do you recall approximately how long it took to get everything up to optimal condition?
 
The drivers are trained and the TTC is doing their final prep work to take over operations. Barring something absolutely catastrophic it's opening this year.
This is not quite true - not all of the drivers are trained. The final classes of drivers are still undergoing training.

given my experience with the opening prep in Waterloo, they are likely giving everything a onceover before Revenue Service Demonstration to ensure everything is optimal. Some of the things they did in Waterloo was do all the regular routine maintenance on the vehicles, often ahead of when it would normally be scheduled, and run the vehicle trucks through the wheel lathe to bring the wheels back to their optimal profile. Basically eliminate as many possible points of failure ahead of the start of RSD
I would not ascribe K-W's experience to being equivalent to the TTC's. The two systems are vastly different from an operational standpoint. And they have different sets of historic standards for their own sets of reasons.

Dan
 
This is not quite true - not all of the drivers are trained. The final classes of drivers are still undergoing training.


I would not ascribe K-W's experience to being equivalent to the TTC's. The two systems are vastly different from an operational standpoint. And they have different sets of historic standards for their own sets of reasons.

Dan
I'm guessing the final class needs to be trained before revenue demonstration can begin?
 
Do any of the underground Line 5 stations have kiosks in them in the paid fare zones? Like Gateway stores?
Is Gateway still responsible for the stores in the existing subway? I know they had financial difficulties in 2022.

I think the plans for Mt Dennis showed something - but I can’t find it now.
 
Today I took the Eglinton bus across from Kennedy to Eglinton to see what I could see. Between 3 and this afternoon, I saw three trains with solo drivers. The first one had left Kennedy sometime after the bus I was on and passed us, the bus only caught up to it when the driver stopped at O'conor to grab a coffee from a Tim Hortons in the Golden Mile Mall, the second one passed us around Sunnybrook, and a third passed us aroinf the same point heading towards Kenedy. A few other times, the first one was stopped at a stop for alight but passed the bus and other traffic without stopping and got way ahead of it. Also I notice at every stop they would open all of the doors on the platform side for a few seconds before closing them and waiting to go ahead with the next light..
 
I hope everyone understands my comment about 2000, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 was just a quip.
However, it's worth noting that in each of those years, there were many people saying it was virtually impossible that Line 5 would not open in that year.
That was the point, and it could be a mistake to dismiss those past predictions from your memory. Especially when they've been wrong 5 years in a row.
Of course I am hopeful it will open this year, and I'd even lay odds on it. But I'm not going to say a 6th consecutive year of it not opening, is impossible.
And keep in mind, nobody has actually PROMISED it will open as of any date.
Target dates are always assumed from what's been said off the record, or inferred from leaked memos, which also make no promises or state an actual date.
Am I wrong to be saying this out loud?
 
I'm guessing the final class needs to be trained before revenue demonstration can begin?
Only for Finch West.

For Eglinton, there are just enough operators already trained (or are finishing the last components of their training, as opposed to those still in class) to operate the projected service.

Dan
 
If there are enough trained operators why have they not started the 1-month revenue service test?
Because there aren't enough trained as of this moment to do the testing. As I wrote above, there are some that are finishing the final stages of their training, and they will be signed off on in the next week or so.

For the record, Metrolinx's 1 month revenue service test is not the final step of the process before opening the line. The TTC will operate the line in full service but without passengers for at least 2 board periods - with the exception of the Christmas board, each board period is about 6 weeks - as the final step prior to opening the line for revenue passengers.

Those two processes may overlap - the Metrolinx 1 month test may coincide with the TTC's pre-revenue service.

Dan
 

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