[nfitz]

Queen street is a much narrower street than Eglinton or Broadway. The station shafts for entrances and ventilation required full intersection closures at Queen and O'Conner and at Queen and Lyon, and after partial reopening allowed only a single lane, so forcing unidirectional travel.

Interesting. Looking at mapping, it looks like Queen is only 60 feet wide; 66 feet (one chain) is the norm in Toronto. While West Broadway appears to be 85 feet wide.

Cambie is 95-feet wide, so there's plenty of place to work around Broadway–City Hall station. That certainly appears to be the most intensive construction site - the other locations don't even seem to be particularly deep - but that's just judging by standing on the sidewalk, or peering down from the 99-B.

At least on Eglinton, the ROW is very wide, allowing for traffic to continue.

 

[crs1026]

Even on Eglinton, I don't recall any extended east-west closures on Eglinton - but to be honest I mostly avoided it, and personal circumstances are that I've seen a lot more of the West Broadway work than the Eglinton work.

There were some hideous traffic problems especially from Mount Pleasant over to Don Mills.... turn restrictions, major closures, etc. It very much affected the ability to get from A to B.

More to the point - the need to place equipment and material along the sidewalks in proximity to the excavated locations choked the streets and suffocated sidewalk traffic to the detriment of businesses. And since much of this was left in place from the moment excavation started until the stations were fully erected and largely complete inside, the impacts existed for 5+ years.

Cut and Cover is a year of hell, but not five years of it.

Which station would this be a problem for? There's huge swaths of land available there to dig holes outside the roadway, and to divert lanes while they are digging.

While Martin Grove, Kipling, Islington, and Royal York all locate the stations north of the current roadway, all of these sites are pretty space constrained, some by buildings and others by woodlot. So I expect there will be a lot of lane narrowing, pylons and jersey barriers, let alone vehicular traffic (dump trucks and then cement trucks). Lay-down areas will be not as easy to manage as one might imagine. North-South routes may not fare as badly, but Eglinton itself will be even more of a parking lot.

Finch and Keele would be comparable. It was a disaster zone for one to two years, has only just got back to normal.

That level of disruption will not play in central Etobicoke. Frail, frail constitutions out that way. (Trust me, I live there)

- Paul

 

[nfitz]

There were some hideous traffic problems especially from Mount Pleasant over to Don Mills.... turn restrictions, major closures, etc. It very much affected the ability to get from A to B.

Ironically that's the piece I may have used a bit during construction!

Cut and Cover is a year of hell, but not five years of it.

The big construction for the stations will take more than a year; they can't even put in an elevator that fast. And I doubt they could build 10 km of cut-and-cover tunnel in the year. The hydro work alone would probably take more than that. Not to mention the new sewers.

After what they did to Moss Park, and Osgoode, I think a wood lot would be history, if it's in the road allowance.

 

[kvvoyage]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but here's photos from a SRT corridor repurposing design charette event I attended last Tuesday with Jamaal Myers doing part of the opening speech.

A little bit of background info on Line 2's extension itself, some questions asked about tunnelling and the response to that was "we're progressing with tunnelling as the sites have been cleared"...

Also a bit more on the future secondary plan and how the subway station will somehow be the centre of all the development? It was also mentioned there wouldn't be an underground connection to the STC mall but a space has been future-proofed.

 

[TOtramz]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but here's photos from a SRT corridor repurposing design charette event I attended last Tuesday with Jamaal Myers doing part of the opening speech.

A little bit of background info on Line 2's extension itself, some questions asked about tunnelling and the response to that was "we're progressing with tunnelling as the sites have been cleared"...

Also a bit more on the future secondary plan and how the subway station will somehow be the centre of all the development? It was also mentioned there wouldn't be an underground connection to the STC mall but a space has been future-proofed.View attachment 629235View attachment 629236

Did they mention any updates on how the station is coming along?

The site just east of mccowan near the old mccowan station is a barren land now that all the rubble has been removed.

 

[JBR]

Why is TTC/City holding onto McCowan Station and the guideway? Looks like it’s impeding full development of this site and GreenP.
Are they going to build SRT phase2 to malvern after all??? LOL just my humor I’m not serious.

 

[Richard White]

Why is TTC/City holding onto McCowan Station and the guideway? Looks like it’s impeding full development of this site and GreenP.
Are they going to build SRT phase2 to malvern after all??? LOL just my humor I’m not serious.

All joking aside I was wondering the same thing. You think they would have tore it down when they ripped down the Progress Avenue Bridge.

It's not like that bridge serves any useful purpose anymore.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

In a similar vein, is there any possible future use of the upper level at Kennedy? I'm wondering if eventually they'd just demolish the whole thing and build a new bus terminal

 

[JBR]

In a similar vein, is there any possible future use of the upper level at Kennedy? I'm wondering if eventually they'd just demolish the whole thing and build a new bus terminal

Only 2 uses I can think of: Eglinton LRT East platform or convert the top level into management offices / break rooms for operators, janitors etc etc.

 

[T3G]

In a similar vein, is there any possible future use of the upper level at Kennedy? I'm wondering if eventually they'd just demolish the whole thing and build a new bus terminal

Why, though? What's wrong with the old bus terminal? I mean, apart from the Dubious Fluids that drip down on you from Pipelines Unknown, which is a problem that could be solved with a renovation, an approach which is cheaper, much less disruptive, and more environmentally friendly. There wasn't a problem with it until they started the construction works for the Crosstown, and it will be fine again when the SSE ends.

The upper level I suspect will suffer a similar fate as the old terminal at Wilson - it will be used as a storage space for Crap And Stuff. It could've also been a great place to store the SRT cars they or may not actually be saving, but I think that ship has sailed.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

Why, though? What's wrong with the old bus terminal? I mean, apart from the Dubious Fluids that drip down on you from Pipelines Unknown, which is a problem that could be solved with a renovation, an approach which is cheaper, much less disruptive, and more environmentally friendly. There wasn't a problem with it until they started the construction works for the Crosstown, and it will be fine again when the SSE ends.

The upper level I suspect will suffer a similar fate as the old terminal at Wilson - it will be used as a storage space for Crap And Stuff. It could've also been a great place to store the SRT cars they or may not actually be saving, but I think that ship has sailed.

I was just wondering if it would become a maintenance headache over time, though if they seal off the two ends that trains used that would reduce degradation.

 

[TOtramz]

Why is TTC/City holding onto McCowan Station and the guideway? Looks like it’s impeding full development of this site and GreenP.
Are they going to build SRT phase2 to malvern after all??? LOL just my humor I’m not serious.

Since they extended the bus platforms at STC station but didn't build new shelters, the guideway is serving as a nice umbrella in the rain.

 

[TossYourJacket]

In a similar vein, is there any possible future use of the upper level at Kennedy? I'm wondering if eventually they'd just demolish the whole thing and build a new bus terminal

Demolition costs money, so it's cheaper to just leave it there. Now hopefully it does find a new use, but given the bigger financial priorities, I'm not surprised allocating money to tearing it down isn't really on the radar yet.

 

[TOtramz]

Anybody knowledgeable about drilling here? I find it very hard to believe that an experienced contractor would just be allowed to sit around and seemingly do nothing for almost a year. Unless they really need all that time to plan the next steps, but so far it doesn’t seem like much has happened at the intervention site.

 

[Northern Light]

What did we all miss in various design documents.............

On the agenda of next week's TTC meeting is a report of the minutes from the various ACAT (accessibility committee) December meetings.

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-253272.pdf

Something jumped out at me.