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The Korean SPG being dangled is wheeled.
The Ukrainians are doing fine with wheeled artillery, such as the 2S22 and Archer. Either way, the Koreans are clearly the more motivated suitor. The Koreans can deliver top grade submarines much faster than the Germans, and they’re clearly using Canada as success story for new markets, so we should get their very best effort.
 
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The Ukrainians are doing fine with wheeled artillery, such as the 2S22 and Archer. Either way, the Koreans are clearly the more motivated suitor. The Koreans can deliver top grade submarines much faster than the Germans, and they clearly using Canada as success story for new markets.
For sure, but the 'divergence' is an issue within army doctrine.
 
For sure, but the 'divergence' is an issue within army doctrine.
Canada doesn’t have any self propelled artillery whatsoever, wheeled or tracked (and hasn’t since the M109 was retired in 2005). The CAF’s current artillery is all towed behind MSVS trucks. So, any SPG addition is a big divergence in doctrine.
 
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Canada doesn’t have any self propelled artillery whatsoever, wheeled or tracked (and hasn’t since the M109 was retired in 2005). The CAF’s current artillery is all towed behind MSVS trucks. So, any SPG addition is a big divergence in doctrine.
True, but the doctrine revolves around how something is used vs a particularly type of equipment. Self-propelled artillery, particularly the emergence of self-contained (targeting), fast engagement/firing enable 'shoot-and scoot' to avoid counter-battery fire, which can now target you pretty much the moment you fire. That is almost impossible to do with towed artillery.

The tracked vs wheeled discussions largely surround the tradeoffs between speed and mobility. Wheeled is faster but more limited as to where it can go due to ground pressure issues. Some argue that if we are to continue to have main battle tanks, then all of our battlefield mobility should be similar. Much of the details are over my head but the debate exists. It may end up being more academic than practical.
 
The issue of pier settling/shifting isn't new. The Harper government tried to do something that looked pretty but on the cheap by trying to leverage abandoned existing facilities and, like most governments, was only interested in the announcement. Why they didn't want to build something near an existing facility, or even build/contract an ice-strengthened oiler is beyond me.
Closing down.

Paywall free: https://archive.is/KYvWZ

With this closure, I don’t believe there will be any permanent RCN or CAF facility in the high Arctic.
 
Closing down.

Paywall free: https://archive.is/KYvWZ

With this closure, I don’t believe there will be any permanent RCN or CAF facility in the high Arctic.
Well, there is CFS Alert.

Nanisivik looked like an attempt to do something on the cheap, by trying to leverage existing port facilities. It was downgraded from a permanent facility soon after the media splash and the adults entered the room.

If there is going to be some kind of permanent facility, and I'm not convinced there is a need, it needs to be near an existing community.
 
Well, there is CFS Alert.
That's true. Though I can't find any instances of the RCN sending a ship to Alert, even in the summer. Our new submarines may visit in the warmer months, but only nuclear-powered subs can safely operate under the ice.

Considering that a modern conventional diesel submarine with AIP (air independent propulsion) like the Korean KSS-III can operate submerged for about 21-days if speed is limited to 4-6 knots, for a max submerged travel of approx 2,500 nautical miles, the boats simply do not have the range for winter ops. My hope is that the new boats will keep our skills sharp until we can get nuclear submarines in the 2050s. By then Korean will be offering the world nuclear powered versions of their KSS.

 
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I don't know how we do more naval and coast guard ops through there without some kind of facility for support. Doesn't have to be at Nanisivik.
 
That's true. Though I can't find any instances of the RCN sending a ship to Alert, even in the summer. Our new submarines may visit in the warmer months, but only nuclear-powered subs can safely operate under the ice.

Considering that a modern conventional diesel submarine with AIP (air independent propulsion) like the Korean KSS-III can operate submerged for about 21-days if speed is limited to 4-6 knots, for a max submerged travel of approx 2,500 nautical miles, the boats simply do not have the range for winter ops. My hope is that the new boats will keep our skills sharp until we can get nuclear submarines in the 2050s. By then Korean will be offering the world nuclear powered versions of their KSS.

I haven't heard that they have. There are no docking or shore facilities. I'm not sure what purpose a RCN ship paying a visit would serve, other than to say they can.
I don't know how we do more naval and coast guard ops through there without some kind of facility for support. Doesn't have to be at Nanisivik.
For sure, and I'm not sure it would even have to be DND, just compatible.

Nanisivik probably wasn't horrible as first proposed, but it became worse as it devolved. Fly in a bunch of seasonal staff(somehow, because the airstrip fell off the plan); schlep up a shipload of fuel after break-up - which couldn't be used until tested - fuel a couple of ships, then send another tanker up to pump out was is remaining before freeze-up. All that for about 4 months worth of usefulness.
 
There are no docking or shore facilities. I'm not sure what purpose a RCN ship paying a visit would serve, other than to say they can.
The Russians, Americans, French, British, Chinese, Indians and soon the Brazilians have nuclear-powered submarines. Any and all of them, friends, foes and in-betweens will be able to transit and loiter their submarines in Canadian Arctic waters without our consent or knowledge. That’s the purpose. There’s no violation or deterrence without awareness and presence.
 
The Russians, Americans, French, British, Chinese, Indians and soon the Brazilians have nuclear-powered submarines. Any and all of them, friends, foes and in-betweens will be able to transit and loiter their submarines in Canadian Arctic waters without our consent or knowledge. That’s the purpose. There’s no violation or deterrence without awareness and presence.
I get that. Arctic presence is an issue, but I was commenting on "sending a ship to Alert". It seems like money ill-spent to build ice-proof shore facilities just to pay a visit. Maybe a shore party could skid a RHIB onto the beach - in the summer.
 
For sure, but the 'divergence' is an issue within army doctrine.
Looks like some big moves coming up, including the reintroduction of self propelled artillery.

Paywall free: https://archive.is/AX3b5

Maybe we can get some K2 Black Panther MBTs from Korea as a package with the submarines. I hope we can avoid buying American kit. The Europeans make very good rocket artillery and air defence systems, and of course drones.
 
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@kEiThZ should have some interesting thoughts on the above ^^^

For everyone, just a few excerpts to outline what's proposed:

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