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Same. The vendors are all pretty similar because they are government contract sites. The one thing I like about how Quebec does it, at least on some of their ARs, is they have simple 'rest areas' every so often. Not wide open, hot, paved commercial sites, just parking, grass and trees, where you can actually, you know, rest. Some might have a coffee or snack truck, likely under contract, but I found them quite re-charging. Ontario does have some decent rest areas but none of them are along 400-series routes, and the few service centres that have an actual picnic area are kinda grim.

The "knowing where you want to go" always surprised me. I did a post-retirement, part-time gig driving for the airport shuttle out of Barrie and on weekends, and never went near Hwy 400, and often wondered why the people who do the drive every weekend would sit in stop-and-go traffic year after year.


Quite frankly, I've never understood the attraction of Weber's, at least not in the past 20-odd years. In the beginning, their burgers were good but now they are little different that most other fast food joints (particularly the buns). They do move people through like an assembly line, but I certainly wouldn't be sanding outside in the rain waiting for one. The one thing in their favour is most ma-and-pa, not-chain options either north or south of their, have gone.
Webers isn't the most amazing ever, but the burgers are generally decent, generally fast, and I enjoy taking a break to eat in the back field over sitting in my car or whatever for other options. Honestly I stop more for 10-15 minutes of peace and decompression from the drive in the back field more than anything.

I've been doing the 400/11 haul my entire life so it's a bit of "old news" to me as well, but any guests coming with me usually enjoy the novelty of it too.
 
We may not have Buck-ees or Wawa here, but a Pilot/Flying J is always a nice sight if you're in need of a break. Clean washrooms, good coffee, usually cheaper gas. Quality truck stops that cater to everyone.

Coming back from Windsor/USA, the Tilbury location is almost always a stop for me vs the Onroutes here (nicknamed the Tilbury Toilets as these stops really sucked before they were rebuilt). Getting off and back on the 401 is a breeze here. 1 min delay from the ramp.

I’m partial to Sheetz, went to many of those 2022-2024. (Won’t be going for a while, now.)
 
Webers isn't the most amazing ever, but the burgers are generally decent, generally fast, and I enjoy taking a break to eat in the back field over sitting in my car or whatever for other options. Honestly I stop more for 10-15 minutes of peace and decompression from the drive in the back field more than anything.

I've been doing the 400/11 haul my entire life so it's a bit of "old news" to me as well, but any guests coming with me usually enjoy the novelty of it too.

Yeah, Webers is more of a novelty than anything else these days. I was there last in 2019, taking the scenic route towards Sudbury (taking 169 through Bala rather than going straight up the 400). The burgers are fine, but nothing special.
 
Yeah, Webers is more of a novelty than anything else these days. I was there last in 2019, taking the scenic route towards Sudbury (taking 169 through Bala rather than going straight up the 400). The burgers are fine, but nothing special.

I went there in 2015 and it was a neat bit of nostalgia but nothing more.

They went the way of Licks may years ago. Once they started selling their burgers frozen in stores, the quality dipped. It went from being a quality burger on the way to the cottage, to a cheap boxed burger.

Licks was the same way. They were an amazing burger at one point, then they started selling everything in stores and the quality took a nose dive. They shut down shortly thereafter.

I went to say I visited but I would not make a special trip there again. I would prefer a proper restaurant in the boonies over it.
 
I went there in 2015 and it was a neat bit of nostalgia but nothing more.

They went the way of Licks may years ago. Once they started selling their burgers frozen in stores, the quality dipped. It went from being a quality burger on the way to the cottage, to a cheap boxed burger.

Licks was the same way. They were an amazing burger at one point, then they started selling everything in stores and the quality took a nose dive. They shut down shortly thereafter.

I went to say I visited but I would not make a special trip there again. I would prefer a proper restaurant in the boonies over it.
I could be mistaken but I believe the on-site burger patties are fresh and the frozen ones sold retail are from a different production line. At least one of the rail cars is for meat processing, but I don't know if their frozen product lines comes from the same location. Remember that they used to have a couple of off-site locations in Orillia, Barrie and PIA.

The Weber family hasn't owned it since around 2004. If nothing else, they were a good summer employer for a lot of Orillia kids.

It is similar to Leadbetter's Meats. They used to be a small butcher shop on Rama Rd. (north of the FNT) selling great fresh products then switched to an industrial site in Orillia and went all-frozen.
 
Webers has no lack of business to be clear. The place is always packed. They have sunk a ton of money into the property over the last decade too, including most recently Tesla superchargers which will open shortly.
 
Yeah, Webers is more of a novelty than anything else these days. I was there last in 2019, taking the scenic route towards Sudbury (taking 169 through Bala rather than going straight up the 400). The burgers are fine, but nothing special.

There was supposed to be a second Webers opening on the 400 near Moonstone ~10 years back but NIMBY's stopped it because they thought it would result in excessive littering along their scenic backroads...
 
Webers has no lack of business to be clear. The place is always packed. They have sunk a ton of money into the property over the last decade too, including most recently Tesla superchargers which will open shortly.
Nobody is claiming it isn't (there's a Starbucks there now too). If you can make lots of money selling barely average, good on you, I guess. The owner gets to do it until the eventual re-building of Hwy 11.

There was supposed to be a second Webers opening on the 400 near Moonstone ~10 years back but NIMBY's stopped it because they thought it would result in excessive littering along their scenic backroads...
It was Mt. St. Louis Rd. and (so far) has failed on environmental grounds (the property is bisected by the Coldwater River). There was an earlier attempt to do the same thing for a Tim's. No council has ever supported re-zoning that parcel, NIMBYism aside.

 
Nobody is claiming it isn't (there's a Starbucks there now too). If you can make lots of money selling barely average, good on you, I guess. The owner gets to do it until the eventual re-building of Hwy 11.


It was Mt. St. Louis Rd. and (so far) has failed on environmental grounds (the property is bisected by the Coldwater River). There was an earlier attempt to do the same thing for a Tim's. No council has ever supported re-zoning that parcel, NIMBYism aside.


You'd think they'd try for another site nearby.
 
You'd think they'd try for another site nearby.
I can only assume they want to capitalize on the Mount St Louis-Moonstone ski crowd on the north side.

There have been on-and-off proposals for some kind on highway-adjacent facility at Hwy 93 but nothing has ever came of them. As well, there is a small cluster of businesses ant both Hwy 12 and Honey Harbour/ Port Severn Rd.
 
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Way off topic, but since we are discussing it, I never got the "Webers thing" . Ok burger at best. Lick's kicked there butt, I really miss them. Luckily, I can still get one off the 400 just south of Parry Sound.
 
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Way off topic, but since we are discussing it, I never got the "Webers thing" . Ok burger at best. Lick's kicked there but, I really miss them. Luckily, I can still get one off the 400 just south of Parry Sound.
Apparently that's the only one left standing. I seldom stop to eat but will grab some thing that I can graze on while driving (except on the bike, obviously). I still lament the closing of the New York Fries just north or Weber's on Hwy 11.
 
So with Mark Carney's Big Beautiful Build Baby Build bill now passed, and his apparent friendship with Dougie, at least for now while that friendship is mutually beneficial for both of them, is anyone else wondering if the Mid-Peninsula Highway might magically reappear on the construction agenda?
 
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