turbanplanner
Senior Member
you don't like cutting across 5 lanes of traffic to turn left to a "block" that fits maybe 5 cars?
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reinventingthewheel
Senior Member
ICYMI: this was a recommendation in the Board of Trade report on congestion
I like the sound of this, it merits immediate staff consideration/examination.
RapidTransit
Active Member
There's no solution that will help. But restricting lane changes from the off ramp to making a left in York is good and needed. Im sure there's been a lot of fender benders as a result of that merge.
But it can also create more issues at Bay. But considering the mess at York, it's best to have lanes separated. It just sucks for all those coach buses that will have to go up Bay, where we all know they'll block the intersection. Or making a right on York and going up Bay or turning right on Bay to Queens Quay and going up York.
What was the reason to removing the original off ramp at York?
But it can also create more issues at Bay. But considering the mess at York, it's best to have lanes separated. It just sucks for all those coach buses that will have to go up Bay, where we all know they'll block the intersection. Or making a right on York and going up Bay or turning right on Bay to Queens Quay and going up York.
What was the reason to removing the original off ramp at York?
UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Apologies if previously asked, I am not up to speed on this project. On the main CoT Gardiner updates website, they seem to cover most of the downtown area, save for the area between Jarvis and York. Was that area recently repaired or replaced?
It doesn't really look it, and even looking at the completed Jarvis to Cherry section, the bents or supporting concrete structures are looking pretty rough. Is there a plan to replace those, similar to what is being done further west?
It doesn't really look it, and even looking at the completed Jarvis to Cherry section, the bents or supporting concrete structures are looking pretty rough. Is there a plan to replace those, similar to what is being done further west?
drum118
Superstar
To get rid of the eastern section, having Love Park where the the ramp used to be as well a clean looking street.
I still prefer to see the eastern section come down regardless if it add 5 minutes extra travel time for a about 30,000 vehicles. It will free up land for development, get rid of the eyesore, save $10 of Million in yearly repairs, more light on the street with better landscaping.
No idea if and when the new Yonge Ramp maybe built with the removal of the Bay on ramp and the Jarvis ramp. Then there is the square corner of Yonge and the Lake Shore along building the Harbour St extension to Jarvis.
Civdis
Senior Member
Great question, as someone who drives under the Gardiner every morning, I was wondering the same thing. The concrete columns and bents look awful. I assume they are structurally sound but it sure would be nice to clean those up as part of the re-construction.
drum118
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
god damn. The Gardiner is just going to be a mess for the next decade, won't it?
zang
Senior Member
So glad we totally avoided tearing it down for a boulevard that would've taken a quarter of the time. /s
innsertnamehere
Superstar
None of the work currently causing lane closures has anything to do with the boulevard and would have been required regardless.
The bridge replacements in the above article are in etobicoke and aren't even on the elevated portion or anywhere close to downtown.
nfitz
Superstar
I'd assumed that the elevated section between Dufferin and Strachan was going to be gone if the Gardiner was removed. Everything in the east would have been gone. What were the limits in the west where the elevated would remain?
Of course the early 2000s plan would have replaced the west with the ramp to the Front Street Extension, and presumably to Lakeshore West, just east of the CNE - but that one died before the last knock down the Gardiner plan (or has it really been 20 years?).
Jonny5
Senior Member
The old corkscrew one? At minimum, it was dilapedated like the rest of the Gardiner and had to be completely rebuilt, so what was there would have to be totally demolished in any case, even if only to rebuild an exact replica.
I recall the thinking was getting people off the Gardiner sooner was better, and this offramp has more queue space to avoid backups on the elevated section, but there likely was little understanding of the explosive change in demand for road space in the area.
Rideshares were also an esoteric thing not even thought of at the time the EA was approved back in 2013. That there would be thousands of requests in that immediate area now on a Saturday evening was not imagined by anyone when the plans were approved and that cars would be weaving in an out to access the then unplanned underground parking garages. or stopping and blocking lanes to let out passengers weaving to the opposite side of Harbour Street.
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T3G
Senior Member
Excited to see all the GO buses driving into it like lemmings jumping off a cliff.
Amare
Senior Member
Great stuff, so pretty much all of South Etobicoke will be screwed this summer and wont be able to get anywhere reliably.
Not only this, but they'll have to deal with a sewer rehabilitation project on The Queensway, then another sewer rehabilitation project on Lake Shore by the Mimico area.
Pure all around madness.
drum118
Superstar
What are your options to deal with this Mess???