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TwoWheelPoli said:
Hard disagree on being OK with the watering down. Just as how watering down protected bike lanes to painted ones would simply encourage cars to block the bike lane, not having bus priority lanes on Bathurst from Bloor to Dupont Streets undermines the benefits of putting in those lanes in the first place. If there's a space for cars to take advantage of, they will do so whether or not it's legal!
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Right, agree..............except that there are no bike lanes here now, and none being proposed. A compromise here doesn't make anything worse than it is now.

I'm simply suggesting that an 85% improvement would be a good thing and I'm willing to have a fight for the other 15% later if needed.

Now if Council is ready to give 100% today, awesome, lets take it.
 
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Northern Light said:
Right, agree..............except that there are no bike lanes here now, and none being proposed. A compromise here doesn't make anything worse than it is now.

I'm simply suggesting that an 85% improvement would be a good thing and I'm willing to have a fight for the other 15% later if needed.

Now if Council is ready to give 100% today, awesome, lets take it.
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Setting a clear precedent for a local group to complain enough and get "their" portion of the corridor exempted would be disastrous and likely make RapidTO even more a joke than it already is. If you think residents of Forest Hill wouldn't see what Annex busybodies had accomplished and immediately attempt to replicate it, I don't know what to tell you.
 
jmi22 said:
Setting a clear precedent for a local group to complain enough and get "their" portion of the corridor exempted would be disastrous and likely make RapidTO even more a joke than it already is. If you think residents of Forest Hill wouldn't see what Annex busybodies had accomplished and immediately attempt to replicate it, I don't know what to tell you.
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You really have to learn how to post in a way that benefits you.

This post ^^^ reads as patronizing and 'Aren't you an idiot'?..........

I'm not. I'm better informed than most.

Did you just see what happened to sixplexes at Council? It turns out you need to count votes before you bring something to the floor.

I don't favour exemptions. I favour achieving the achievable rather than nothing.

If the mayor is willing to whip the vote, and can get enough votes, for no-exemptions, great. I'm all in favour.

But if she can't..........
 
Northern Light said:
You really have to learn how to post in a way that benefits you.

This post ^^^ reads as patronizing and 'Aren't you an idiot'?..........

I'm not. I'm better informed that most.

Did you just see what happened to sixplexes at Council? It turns out you need to count votes before you bring something to the floor.
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Or a Mayor willing to use the powers vested in her (or speak), but that's a whole other argument.

On the topic of patronizing posting, is the pot not calling the kettle black?
 
jmi22 said:
Or a Mayor willing to use the powers vested in her (or speak), but that's a whole other argument.

On the topic of patronizing posting, is the pot not calling the kettle black?
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Feel free to put me on ignore. That's where you're going again.
 
Not sure when those "Protect Bathurst" car-brains changed their website, but it appears they shifted their messaging ahead of next week's RapidTO debate at Executive Committee by now only calling for a pause north of Bloor. Even so, we still need to support TTCriders with this fight.
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It has been absolutely insane to see a handful of people claim to be groups of residents in opposition, often staying anonymous, and all using quotes from Steve Munro's blog -- mostly A Contrarian’s View of Bathurst/Dufferin RapidTO -- to legitimize their position, while Munro has seemed far more interested in picking a bone with the TTC than calling out the misuse of his words or clarifying his position. On social media when he was challenged about it, he dug in and said "I stand by what I wrote" and then told people he would stop engaging about it.

He rationalized to one that the "TTC provides fodder for general complaints" -- ironic, since his post was fodder for all the opposition groups. As if there weren't already enough people completely against things like bus lanes, it's brutal watching someone respected in transit circles writing nuanced critiques that only served as the softest pitches for the other team to hit bombs out of the park.

In a subsequent blog post, he touched on the opposition groups using his words and stated, "several of my comments were incorporated in the now-discredited anti-bus-lane campaigns featuring AI-generated “spokespeople” for affected neighbourhoods." Clearly not discredited at all because they got what they wanted.

Even if Munro is right that the TTC's claimed benefits from the bus lanes won't materialize, taking back some of the street is worth it for the message it sends about what the city is willing to do for those using transit and the priority it puts on a bus full of people over using that space to park a car.
 
Northern Light said:
RapidTO Bathurst and Dufferin have arrived on the agenda for next week's Executive Ctte meeting:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-257069.pdf

The loud voices prevailed, the proposal is now to implement from Bloor southward only. North to Eglinton is not killed but is deferred.
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To be fair to the City Transportation Services, I think they have too many things to juggle at the same time apart from opposition voices:
- Short implementation timeline before WC2026.
- Pressure to secure a sure approval, no second chance to go back in another report to meet the schedule.
- Pressure from local councillors wanting to play safe ahead of next year election.
- Delayed opening of Line 5 Eglinton.
I would expect an adoption of this from city council next week. The disappointing part is that there is not yet a concrete timeline for the revised studies North of Bloor.
 
Frankietls said:
To be fair to the City Transportation Services, I think they have too many things to juggle at the same time apart from opposition voices:
- Short implementation timeline before WC2026.
- Pressure to secure a sure approval, no second chance to go back in another report to meet the schedule.
- Pressure from local councillors wanting to play safe ahead of next year election.
- Delayed opening of Line 5 Eglinton.
I would expect an adoption of this from city council next week. The disappointing part is that there is not yet a concrete timeline for the revised studies North of Bloor.
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I broadly agree. I didn't think the opposition on Dufferin north of Bloor was sufficient to warrant concessions there, but ...it is what it is.

On Bathurst, I previously conveyed that this might be the outcome here, not my preferred option, but I understood then and now why this might occur.

Not the hill to die on.........take the win south of Bloor and keep fighting the good fight for other similar projects. We still have Jane to get through in the near term, and several more to follow.
 
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god this city is so disappointing sometimes.
its why I didnt engage with this. there was no way it was going to happen no matter how many people supported it
 
To the extent that they attributed the need to do it now to the World Cup coming next year, doing it only south of Bloor sort of became a logical compromise to do. Sad that they'll just do the part that will mainly benefit tourists rather than the part that will benefit the most residents of Toronto.
 
generalcanada said:
god this city is so disappointing sometimes.
its why I didnt engage with this. there was no way it was going to happen no matter how many people supported it
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Ok, but the part of Bloor is happening. That's not nothing.

Yes, the City can be disappointing, but things can and do advance.
 
~5.5 centre line km of brand new dedicated transit lanes and removal of hundreds of curbside parking spaces is substantial progress, even if there could have been more. For the part that will be implemented I am concerned that they have walked back some of the turning restrictions which could lead to bottlenecks. The most glaring example is the proposed no left or right anytime at Dufferin and Bloor is gone. Outside of peak hour restrictions that intersection is a mess because the turning vehicles block the through traffic on each cycle.
 
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