generalcanada
Senior Member
This is a good thing. If we wanted to rush things we could and fail like America did.
When this starts being constructed in the mid-2030's people will like the fast progress
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When this starts being constructed in the mid-2030's people will like the fast progress
treplow
Active Member
Yeah there's no way from Gare Centrale to Laval without using the tunnel, unless the train backs out to Cote St Luc and goes the long way around the mountain. Which would defeat the entire purpose of the high speed network.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
I imagine there is no final alignment because they get to use the ideas presented by all three consortia. So the paths through Toronto and Montreal, and through the twisty part between Peterborough and Smith's Falls, are what has to be hashed out now that the cards are on the table. At what point will any of that be revealed?
nfitz
Superstar
Unless they move the main station in Montreal to Parc or something.
Huh ... that looks like the (Brockville Sub?) from Smith Falls to Carleton Place, and then the Renfrew sub ... surely not.
Northern Light
Superstar
How long do you think it took Spain to build the extension of HSR to Cadiz?
If you said 14 years you'd be right.
How long do you think it took the Florence to Rome section of HSR to rollout in Italy?
If you said 22 years, you'd be right (1970-1992), that line, btw, only 254km vs this project at over 1,000
This Canada is a joke stuff is ill conceived and needlessly inflammatory.
generalcanada
Senior Member
- revenue positive
- 43 million passengers per year
- 60-90 billion. pretty much what the studies have shown in the past
This was from a business case released this month so it should be pretty accurate
- 43 million passengers per year
- 60-90 billion. pretty much what the studies have shown in the past
This was from a business case released this month so it should be pretty accurate
Mihairokov
Active Member
Montreal gets Laval but Ottawa doesn't get Fallowfield. Suburban Ottawa erasure!
Haha just kidding because the main Ottawa stop will be suburban anyway.
Haha just kidding because the main Ottawa stop will be suburban anyway.
northyorker1
New Member
China built a 2,258km HSR line in less than 8 years?
Shanghai–Kunming high-speed railway - Wikipedia
Mihairokov
Active Member
Ah yes but you see China kills employees that don't give 110% on the lines, which is why they're able to build things so quickly you see!China built a 2,258km HSR line in less than 8 years?
Shanghai–Kunming high-speed railway - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
At least, that's what the propaganda here says, anyway.
Northern Light
Superstar
China built a 2,258km HSR line in less than 8 years?
Shanghai–Kunming high-speed railway - Wikipedia
From the very same link you posted above:
Chinese media reported that traffic safety was endangered due to quality issues with the construction; furthermore, the construction company committed fraud and illegal subcontracting. On some sections, operational speeds were reduced from 300 kilometres per hour (190 mph) to 70 kilometres per hour (43 mph), due to some problems in construction, confirmed by the state media
northyorker1
New Member
What are you trying to imply? Don't we have "quality issues with the construction" (see Crosstown) or fraud (see SNC Lavalin) in Canada too?
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm not 'implying' anything.
I'm quoting via the link you supplied Chinese State Media in stating that portions of this high speed line are operating at only 70km/ph, not 300km/ph.
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Yes, the Chinese can complete infrastructure more quickly than virtually any western nation, when determined to do so, by virtue of being a totalitarian state that can simply redirect resources and approve projects at-will.
It can also ignore any number of other constraints. (such as worker safety).
Yes, Canada too has fraud/grift and incompetence, but that's not the point.
The point was that original poster made Canada out as outlier in a bad way for the timing involved, and I showed it is no such thing. Facts matter.
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MisterF
Senior Member
Seems clear to me that there would be a new right of way in that section. I just hope they haven't scope creeped this project into eventual cancellation.Interesting as that's what the rumour was months ago.
300 km/hr. Someone is taking the high view, that's for sure. But enough of the Latin puns.
I don't see how very much of the Havelock subdivision alignment east of Peterborough will be reusable.
It would be nice if we used one thread for this, as it's neither VIA Rail - or the existing corridor. Perhaps time for a new thread, now this is official?
I don't see how at least some trains wouldn't stop at suburban stations like Fallowfield and somewhere in the suburban GTA. Every HSR system has multiple stopping patterns just like Via Rail does today.Montreal gets Laval but Ottawa doesn't get Fallowfield. Suburban Ottawa erasure!
Haha just kidding because the main Ottawa stop will be suburban anyway.
crs1026
Superstar
generalcanada
Senior Member
Pointing out how some countries built a newer railway like china did in the last 20 years completely ignores the term "institutional learning"
Saying "25 years and cahsr cant even build track" is not helpful knowing that for other countries have had issues with them in the past, but you learn from them.
Of course the 10th rail line you build it will be done so much more efficiently
Saying "25 years and cahsr cant even build track" is not helpful knowing that for other countries have had issues with them in the past, but you learn from them.
Of course the 10th rail line you build it will be done so much more efficiently