Mihairokov
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This post gives huge Niemoller vibes.
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picard102
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Homegrowns are next
It's telling you can't cite the law.
Just going to drop this here
UtakataNoAnnex
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...and really ill-advised case of whataboutisms. /bleh
Admiral Beez
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True, but we’d need to spin it as levels of criminality rather than race or class. First they came for the undocumented violent criminals, then the petty thieves, then those whose only crime was to violate or overstay the terms of their Visa or to enter the country illegally. If you’re in the US illegally, I’d leave asap.
Fair points all round. But that’s what Americans voted for. Look at the Venezuelan community, where they all voted MAGA and assumed that the Deport! cry did not apply to their undocumented but otherwise law abiding and productive Venezuelan cousins and friends.
UtakataNoAnnex
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What an ignorant sack of a bigot...
Except that's not what's happening. They are picking up all kinds of people, not necessarily violent criminals -- people working in fields (as they are heading out to work in the morning), people working through the immigration process (taking them at court houses), students on Visas, and an attempt at workers at Dodger stadium (the Dodgers didn't let them in).
Admiral Beez
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Which should be a siren call to anyone who’s not a citizen or without a solid (non-LATAM/PRC/Muslim/African origin) Green Card to make plans to leave the US. Either go home or elsewhere.
Mihairokov
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No, it should be a red flag to any citizen of the US that nobody is safe, particularly considering that these masked, unaccounted for ICE "agents" have been rounding up American citizens based on their looks and detaining them regardless. You're naive if you think they're only rounding up criminals.
First they came for the trans people, then they came for the Latinos, then they came for the political dissidents...is Mamdani a criminal? Because what Rep. Ogles is asking to be done is equivalent to them removing political dissidents. What's stopping them at this juncture from doing that, because nothing has stopped them from illegally detaining and disappearing people to El Salvador.
It's a disgusting, reprehensible country they're running at the moment, and I have to assume that anyone that tries to defend their actions is complicit and supportive.
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UtakataNoAnnex
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"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - MLK
Admiral Beez
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All good and valid points, and seemingly exactly what US citizens wanted through their voting or disinterest/abstention. They knew what they were voting for - Trump campaigned on the largest deportation in US history. It was clearly marked on the tin. While much of this lays at the feet of Joe Biden and public outrage with his perceived open borders and progressive identity politics, the country and its people are messed up. If I was a foreign-born US citizen, visa holder or undocumented…. I’d leave. And as a Canadian I’ll certainly not visit.
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Did they know? Or did they naively believe the lies that it would be violent criminals only? Or did they think it would just happen to someone else? Or did they vote to
lower the price of eggs and not worry so ,icy about what was going to happen to the brown people?
lower the price of eggs and not worry so ,icy about what was going to happen to the brown people?
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lenaitch
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Too many people didn't understand the signals that Trump and the Project 25 crowd want to deport anyone they don't like. The criteria is broad and undefined, criminal record, illegal presence, funny looking, being a Democrat, and on and on. This is an administration that claimed 'they' were eating all the domestic pets and questions the natural-born provision of their Constitution based on the background of the parents.
As well, living in another country like the US isn't like baseball. Just because you've touched the base doesn't make you safe. If you are in the country illegally (snuck in, violated/overstayed terms of legal entry, etc.) you are, in fact, a criminal.
As well, living in another country like the US isn't like baseball. Just because you've touched the base doesn't make you safe. If you are in the country illegally (snuck in, violated/overstayed terms of legal entry, etc.) you are, in fact, a criminal.
Admiral Beez
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IDK, but there are many historical examples of people voting against their own interests, often through ignorance, denial and compartmentalization (as long as my group is safe, the politician is justified). Why did Germans vote for the Nazis in 1933, or Palestinians for Hamas in 2006? Both led those willing voters to destruction. Future historians will be asking the same questions of Americans who for at least the first quarter of the 21st century voted in governments that oppressed the people while ensuring their education was so sub par that they were too ignorant to notice until it was too late.
Exactly true. The sad thing is that through government disinterest, the criminality of illegally residing/working in the US became normalized, to the point that the perpetrators considered themselves on base, as you say. Look at our own city of Toronto, where we have laws against public intoxication and drug use, laws against begging in traffic or outside ATMS, laws against TTC fare evasion, graffiti, littering, vehicular laws against rolling through stop signs and cell phone use. But we rare/never see these laws enforced, and we become complacent, we feel that these laws no longer exist. But they do, and all it takes is a change in government priorities. Imagine the outrage if TPS began a hardnosed enforcement of the above after decades of inaction.
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kEiThZ
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Sad as this is, I'm not sure what the actual outrage is here, unless there's evidence he was mistreated in custody. Most countries (including Canada) will revoke residency for any foreign national convicted of a crime.
Also, what exactly stopped him from getting citizenship over three decades he had a green card. Something doesn't add up there.