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To paraphrase a friend who works as an attorney in the US:
  • Aliens (in the US sense) have protection under the Constitution
  • Non-citizens are entitled to due process and free speech (per US Supreme Court since 1886 and repeated in decisions in 1896 and 1903).
  • You can’t simply disappear people with green cards off the street because you don’t like their speech.
  • Using photos of prisoners for propaganda purposes is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
 
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Flight travel stats are in…

March 2025 vs March 2024, passenger flights down over 70%.
April 2025 to Aug 2025 bookings also down over 70%.

Canada-U.S. air bookings down over 70% through summer

Canadian travelers are taking their loonies elsewhere, tanking demand for US flights

And I expect upon seeing these stats that other Canadians with bookings to fly to the US will cancel. No one wants to be the wackamole.

Just watch Air Canada and West Jet will jack up airfare within Canada and flights to Europe/Asia. Sucks for Canadians, but Americans are lucky! They get cheap vacations to Canada. With the exchange rate, $300 a night hotel rooms are only about 200 USD!! No wonder hotels are so expensive in this country. They are capitalizing on American tourism.
 
That link seems to be dead. Here is a un-paywalled story on the topic.


I say, call his bluff. He can raise tariffs ever higher. 25% tariffs on everything are already ruinous. At some point he will only be harming his own people.
 
A couple of notes here.

So this is another high-profile foreign student being detained. Her profile being associated with the divestment (in Israel) movement et. al.

She was detained, walking alone down the street, going to attend a dinner, by six, plain-clothes officers, wearing full facemasks, who did not identify as law enforcement until she was on the ground.

She was immediately moved out of state, from Massachusetts to Louisiana.

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My comments

While I think, irrespective of one's take on matters middle east, her time was wasted advocating for something that even if she achieved it would have made no difference.....
It is nonetheless expressly her right, not only to hold such views, but express them. The U.S. Supreme Court has, in the past, held that First Amendment rights in the U.S. apply to non-citizens legally in the United States.

Two, I am never comfortable with non-uniformed law enforcement making arrests, even if those arrests were otherwise lawful, unless there are exigent circumstances. Even then.....what's the deal with full face coverings? I can't fathom any moral or lawful excuse. Had she resisted violently, I think she would have been within her rights to do so. Not that that was advisable in the circumstances.

Finally, the quick move to shift her out of State was to remove her both from legal oversight, (a judge ordered that ICE not remove her, but she was already gone), and to remove her from her support network and lawyer.

This last bit is incredibly problematic. Its clearly an intentional move to thwart due process.

If the U.S. wanted to revoke her VISA, that may have been lawful; however she ought to get due process, in open court, and be given a summons to appear, not faced with what reads as black ops abduction.
This kind of behaviour tells me it is not safe for non-citizens to step foot in the US.
 
A couple of notes here.

So this is another high-profile foreign student being detained. Her profile being associated with the divestment (in Israel) movement et. al.

She was detained, walking alone down the street, going to attend a dinner, by six, plain-clothes officers, wearing full facemasks, who did not identify as law enforcement until she was on the ground.

She was immediately moved out of state, from Massachusetts to Louisiana.

****

My comments

While I think, irrespective of one's take on matters middle east, her time was wasted advocating for something that even if she achieved it would have made no difference.....
It is nonetheless expressly her right, not only to hold such views, but express them. The U.S. Supreme Court has, in the past, held that First Amendment rights in the U.S. apply to non-citizens legally in the United States.

Two, I am never comfortable with non-uniformed law enforcement making arrests, even if those arrests were otherwise lawful, unless there are exigent circumstances. Even then.....what's the deal with full face coverings? I can't fathom any moral or lawful excuse. Had she resisted violently, I think she would have been within her rights to do so. Not that that was advisable in the circumstances.

Finally, the quick move to shift her out of State was to remove her both from legal oversight, (a judge ordered that ICE not remove her, but she was already gone), and to remove her from her support network and lawyer.

This last bit is incredibly problematic. Its clearly an intentional move to thwart due process.

If the U.S. wanted to revoke her VISA, that may have been lawful; however she ought to get due process, in open court, and be given a summons to appear, not faced with what reads as black ops abduction.


If they have evidence of her supporting Hamas, Good riddance! She's here on a student visa. You want to lead antisemitic and anti-American demonstrations go back to your homeland. Hamas one of the worst terrorist organizations on earth, they kill people like me for being gay, it's a fact.
 
That link seems to be dead. Here is a un-paywalled story on the topic.


I say, call his bluff. He can raise tariffs ever higher. 25% tariffs on everything are already ruinous. At some point he will only be harming his own people.
He has this weird idea that tariffs mean countries will be writing cheques to the US and the money will come flowing in (which in turn equals tax breaks for his rich pals)
 
If they have evidence of her supporting Hamas, Good riddance! She's here on a student visa. You want to lead antisemitic and anti-American demonstrations go back to your homeland. Hamas one of the worst terrorist organizations on earth, they kill people like me for being gay, it's a fact.

So you drew that conclusion out of thin air, with zero research and zero evidence, and determined that a political view denies you all rights to due process of law.

I sincerely hope you don't find yourself at the mercy of the very same people who aren't particularly enthused about LGBTQ.......... because you just said it was ok, they don't need a trial or a legitimate reason.......just to disagree with you.

My suggestion, really, very bad take on your part.
 
So you drew that conclusion out of thin air, with zero research and zero evidence, and determined that a political view denies you all rights to due process of law.

I sincerely hope you don't find yourself at the mercy of the very same people who aren't particularly enthused about LGBTQ.......... because you just said it was ok, they don't need a trial or a legitimate reason.......just to disagree with you.

My suggestion, really, very bad take on your part.


Does the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment protect those on visa's ? it would be different if she was an American citizen.
 
If they have evidence of her supporting Hamas, Good riddance! She's here on a student visa. You want to lead antisemitic and anti-American demonstrations go back to your homeland. Hamas one of the worst terrorist organizations on earth, they kill people like me for being gay, it's a fact.
Er...it what's you mean by supporting Hamas. If it where some verbal statement or position, then one should be entitled to one's opinion, no matter how awful it is. That's how democracy and free speech work. However, if one is sending money to them and joining their operatives...then they should be facing the consequences of involving themselves with an active hate group. Same deal goes if they where Nazis.

...that said though, none of people that appear to be target by this dragnet seem to be doing even that. They are making statements that are critical of Israeli policies towards Palestinians and there is nothing wrong with that. It would same if I made statements critical of Donald Trump here in T.dot...do I get to be snatched up by an unmarked CSIS van and sent to a some black site "facility" in Alberta for holding? Because this is the equivalent of what is happening here. And we should all be terrified of that.
 
The 14th amendment protects 'persons', whether or not they are citizens.

if it's a violation of anyone's civil rights, no matter immigration status. Then of course it's wrong. I was wondering if they can be deported without due process for violating the terms of their visa?
 

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