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jje1000 said:

Canada rescinds digital services tax to advance broader trade negotiations with the United States - Canada.ca

The DST was announced in 2020 to address the fact that many large technology companies operating in Canada may not otherwise pay tax on revenues generated from Canadians. Canada’s preference has always been a multilateral agreement related to digital services taxation. While Canada was working...
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Not seeing much elbows up, seeing far more spread eagle from Carney lol
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I wouldn't go quite that far; but neither am I satisfied with this outcome.

I feel that the government should have presented alternatives to the Trump admin. publicly in line with what I stated.............

Or, at least temporarily, it should have simply geo-blocked all U.S. based streamers entirely and legislated they return all funds from Canadians on a go-forward basis (that is if they've paid for service not yet redeemed) and then we negotiate a more amicable outcome.

This does look weak, as presented.
 
Northern Light said:
I wouldn't go quite that far; but neither am I satisfied with this outcome.

I feel that the government should have presented alternatives to the Trump admin. publicly in line with what I stated.............

Or, at least temporarily, it should have simply geo-blocked all U.S. based streamers entirely and legislated they return all funds from Canadians on a go-forward basis (that is if they've paid for service not yet redeemed) and then we negotiate a more amicable outcome.

This does look weak, as presented.
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He can always go full Trump and simply put it back if negotiations fail in a few weeks.
 
Already sent off an email to the PMO, my MP is CPC and a moron so I won't bother emailing him, but hopefully the NDP are able to apply some pressure here about this absolute betrayal of many votes for standing up to Trump's bully tactics.
 
slickpete83 said:
Canada needs 679,000 public charging stations by 2040 but currently has only 34,000. The infrastructure cost estimates range from $300 billion to $1.1 trillion
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What's your source for this statistic?

goreckm said:
People that have never owned an EV just don't understand how much more convenient it is, and unless you have a very abnormal use case you'll spend less time "charging" than you would fuelling up. I'm over 70K in about 3 years, and have used a fast charger maybe 20 times, and that was only on long distance road trips (NYC, Ohio, Northern-ish Ontario, Montreal). Unless your doing hundreds of kilometers a day, you won't be spending time charging, your car is charged in the morning.
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Part of the problem here is the overselling of charging infrastructure especially by electricians who either don't know better or want an easy offering. The average commuter could actually get by with a normal wall outlet. Say 10 hrs charging to cover 60 km using the same outlet as a vacuum cleaner in the garage. But that's not going to give anybody business.
 
afransen said:
Level 2 slow chargers, that can charge a car overnight instead of well under an hour. Those chargers are even cheaper. The actual dispenser is about $1k, the electrical infrastructure might be on the high side $5-10k per stall. Wherever you sourced at average cost per charger of $400k to 1.2M is selling a load of bullsh!t to confuse people without the ability to fact check those figures.
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I used to be against the idea of including PHEVs in the mandate. A big part of why I flipped is because I think the FUD will die really fast when a lot of PHEV buyers start to understand how much charging can be done from a regular wall outlet. They start covering most of their driving from a regular wall outlet and they'll quickly realize they can easily do this with a BEV.
 
picard102 said:
Already sent off an email to the PMO, my MP is CPC and a moron so I won't bother emailing him, but hopefully the NDP are able to apply some pressure here about this absolute betrayal of many votes for standing up to Trump's bully tactics.
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CPC might want to take advantage of that even if it's opportunistic. But if you say the MP in question is a moron, then maybe not so much so... /sigh
 
UtakataNoAnnex said:
CPC might want to take advantage of that even if it's opportunistic. But if you say the MP in question is a moron, then maybe not so much so... /sigh
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It's Baber, the OPC I'm fine with teachers dying if it means the economy can continue on MPP who got kicked out of Fords government. That idiot.
 
Northern Light said:
I wouldn't go quite that far; but neither am I satisfied with this outcome.
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Carney's playing with the 🍊🌮. Dangle a new tax, watch Trump freak out, cancel the tax to make Trump feel strong (and to preemptively kneecap another CPC platform), and then watch Trump TACO and resume negotiations. Which is exactly where we are today. But when Trump now demands that we drop supply management, Carney can say no from a position of strength, claiming we did just acquiesce to your demand to drop the digital tax, so a win for everyone.
 
^Please don't do the TACO thing, that eggs him on to do more horrible things than he's already doing. /bleh
 
Northern Light said:
I wouldn't go quite that far; but neither am I satisfied with this outcome.

I feel that the government should have presented alternatives to the Trump admin. publicly in line with what I stated.............

Or, at least temporarily, it should have simply geo-blocked all U.S. based streamers entirely and legislated they return all funds from Canadians on a go-forward basis (that is if they've paid for service not yet redeemed) and then we negotiate a more amicable outcome.

This does look weak, as presented.
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The June 30, 2025 collection will be halted, and Minister Champagne will soon bring forward legislation in the autumn to rescind the Digital Services Tax Act.

“In our negotiations on a new economic and security relationship between Canada and the United States, Canada’s new government will always be guided by the overall contribution of any possible agreement to the best interests of Canadian workers and businesses. Today’s announcement will support a resumption of negotiations toward the July 21, 2025, timeline set out at this month’s G7 Leaders’ Summit in Kananaskis.”

- The Rt. Honourable Mark Carney,
Prime Minister of Canada
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“Canada’s new government is focused on building the strongest economy in the G7 and standing up for Canadian workers and businesses. Rescinding the digital services tax will allow the negotiations of a new economic and security relationship with the United States to make vital progress and reinforce our work to create jobs and build prosperity for all Canadians.”

- The Honourable François-Philippe Champagne,
Minister of Finance and National Revenue
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Northern Light said:
Since he's not on that often........that stat comes from here:

Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure for Canada - Natural Resources Canada

natural-resources.canada.ca natural-resources.canada.ca

I have not evaluated the assumptions in the above report at all and merely offer it as the source of the info.
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Thanks. So he left out this important detail:

Under our baseline scenario, this will require about 679,000 public charging ports (a mix of Level 2 [L2] and direct current fast charging [DCFC]) across the country in 2040, or one port for every 31 light-duty EVs (Figure ES 1). This will require the installation of, on average, 40,000 public ports each year between 2025 and 2040, on top of the nearly 30,000 public ports currently available or planned in Canada.
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The chargers numbers were mostly Level 2. Which is about $1k to install for most in their garage. The source also contradicts this FUD:

slickpete83 said:
The infrastructure cost estimates range from $300 billion to $1.1 trillion - that's $27,500 per Canadian.
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The article specifically says:

For LDVs, the cumulative capital costs to 2040 for public charging is nearly $18 billion under our baseline scenario. DCFC ports account for 64% of these costs despite making up a small share of ports (7%), due in part to their significant and growing power requirements (from an average of 125 kW per port in 2025 to 300 kW in 2040). For MHDVs, capital costs are generally higher on a per-port basis due to the higher average charging power needs for heavier vehicles with larger batteries. Cumulative capital investments of $47 billion are needed by 2040 to support public charging needs in the MHDV sector (Figure ES 3).
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That's $65B over 15 years. Little over $4B per year. Or little over $100 per Canadian per year of public investments in charging. Doesn't line up with the insane FUD.

@slickpete83 You should retract your obvious misinformation.
 
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