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lenaitch said:
No clue and I no longer have a Trackside Guide to see if they would be shown. Anecdotally, the s/b CN freight is mid-morning; no clue about n/b. Seeing as the Business Case shows the s/b Northlander operating between North Bay and Washago between 0555 and 0905 and the n/b between 2020 and 2330 I don't see a problem. Also, although I don't know the siding lengths on the Newmarket sub but the CN trains aren't super long. South of Washago onto the Bala sub, no clue.
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The Bala Sub really is the concern, if there is a concern. The Newmarket Sub is not an issue. The 1 train a day can be rescheduled to fit with the Northlander easily enough.

lenaitch said:
We say that not knowing what needs to be done at Englehart. The Business Case says everything is in good condition but it hasn't been as a public train station in a long time. It is an active ONR operational building and I have to believe some department has goldfished into the space.
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AFAIK the waiting area has not been taken over. Last year, I physically saw that station during normal business hours and it still looks like a waiting area.
 
lenaitch said:
I suspect anyone hoping for some kind of baked-in priority running on the Bala sub may be disappointed.
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My only hope is that it can be on time,or make up time so that it is not late. I'd rather CN give it a slot and protect that slot than make it late going either way along the Bala Sub.
 
dowlingm said:
Higher differentials between freight and passenger speeds, surely? If you time crossings on the upper Newmarket sub based on passenger, it’s not like that causes a long wait vs when freight goes through
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the highest zone speed on the Bala is 70 passenger and 60 freight. While most of the Newmarket is 50 passenger 40 freight. I haven't been on the Kingston in a few years but the highest speeds if i remember correctly are 100/95 passenger and 65 freight. That's a 30 mph difference compared to the Bala/Newmarket which it's usually a 5-10 mph difference.
 
lenaitch said:
No clue and I no longer have a Trackside Guide to see if they would be shown. Anecdotally, the s/b CN freight is mid-morning; no clue about n/b. Seeing as the Business Case shows the s/b Northlander operating between North Bay and Washago between 0555 and 0905 and the n/b between 2020 and 2330 I don't see a problem. Also, although I don't know the siding lengths on the Newmarket sub but the CN trains aren't super long. South of Washago onto the Bala sub, no clue.
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The high priority oversiding BIT trains usually leave Brampton intermodal around 2-4 am. So that shouldn't conflict. Based on the timings on the business case the northbound would run ahead of the freight run to north bay and the sb would leave north bay 2-3 hr after the nb comes in
The current freight run to north bay will usually leave macyard around 1600-1700, get to washago around 1900-2100 and arrive in north bay between midnight to 2am while the train from north bay usually leaves around 1400-1500.

Usually the freight runs to/from north bay will meet at either the smail siding south of washago or at Falkenburg depending on timing and how big the trains are that day.

The sidings on the Newmarket are Falkenburg, Martins and Trout Creek all approximately 4.5-5k feet
 
Krypto98 said:
The high priority oversiding BIT trains usually leave Brampton intermodal around 2-4 am. So that shouldn't conflict. Based on the timings on the business case the northbound would run ahead of the freight run to north bay and the sb would leave north bay 2-3 hr after the nb comes in
The current freight run to north bay will usually leave macyard around 1600-1700, get to washago around 1900-2100 and arrive in north bay between midnight to 2am while the train from north bay usually leaves around 1400-1500.

Usually the freight runs to/from north bay will meet at either the smail siding south of washago or at Falkenburg depending on timing and how big the trains are that day.

The sidings on the Newmarket are Falkenburg, Martins and Trout Creek all approximately 4.5-5k feet
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So, would that mean that there should be no reason that the Northlander should not be able to keep to the planned schedule?
 
Krypto98 said:
The high priority oversiding BIT trains usually leave Brampton intermodal around 2-4 am. So that shouldn't conflict. Based on the timings on the business case the northbound would run ahead of the freight run to north bay and the sb would leave north bay 2-3 hr after the nb comes in
The current freight run to north bay will usually leave macyard around 1600-1700, get to washago around 1900-2100 and arrive in north bay between midnight to 2am while the train from north bay usually leaves around 1400-1500.

Usually the freight runs to/from north bay will meet at either the smail siding south of washago or at Falkenburg depending on timing and how big the trains are that day.

The sidings on the Newmarket are Falkenburg, Martins and Trout Creek all approximately 4.5-5k feet
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Thanks for that. Are the visible sidings at places like Gravenhurst and Novar considered out-of-service'? I occasionally hear/see mid-morning trains on the Newmarket sub out of North Bay. I suppose it could be a switcher servicing the one or two customers left in Huntsville, or simply be MOW.
 
lenaitch said:
Thanks for that. Are the visible sidings at places like Gravenhurst and Novar considered out-of-service'? I occasionally hear/see mid-morning trains on the Newmarket sub out of North Bay. I suppose it could be a switcher servicing the one or two customers left in Huntsville, or simply be MOW.
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Yes, the only in service sidings on the Newmarket are Falkenburg, Martins and Trout Creek. Everything else was ripped out or is out of Service. The switcher out of Huntsville works 3 customers 3x per week. Usually the freight out of north bay leaves around mid afternoon.
 
Krypto98 said:
Yes, the only in service sidings on the Newmarket are Falkenburg, Martins and Trout Creek. Everything else was ripped out or is out of Service. The switcher out of Huntsville works 3 customers 3x per week. Usually the freight out of north bay leaves around mid afternoon.
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Gravenhurst has a passing siding, but disconnected at one end for sure.
 
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lenaitch said:
Cool. The last time I was down there it was still blocked by end-of-track signs where the CN property ends. I wonder if this was a one-off or a new routing to move interchange traffic to CN.
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This is so that the new Northlander does not need to go through the yard to connect to the 2.
 
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