[cplchanb]

My first thought was perhaps factors such as swirling snow, undercarriage accumulation, etc. might be different than static cold temperatures, but if the same equipment is in the use in the upper mid-west then one would think that would be sufficient. In a very Canadian-military type of way where we somehow think everything must be 'Canadianized', perhaps they think our cold is different than their cold.

of course its different! they measure snow by inches while we do so in mm!

 

[crs1026]

of course its different! they measure snow by inches while we do so in mm!

lol Once you get down below about -15 it doesn't matter whether it's F or C

- Paul

 

[dowlingm]

Considering it's already funded and the trains are ordered why would you cancel it? You would need to sell the train sets.

If VIA can satisfactorily show they can operate to Jonquiere and Senneterre, albeit with acquisition of Siemens baggage cars, they would be a logical customer. They could even use these pictures in their business plan when going to government for the cash

 

[Bordercollie]

If VIA can satisfactorily show they can operate to Jonquiere and Senneterre, albeit with acquisition of Siemens baggage cars, they would be a logical customer. They could even use these pictures in their business plan when going to government for the cash

You can turn the rear section of the cab car into a baggage car with a sliding door. A bit smaller than a baggage car but having the second car as a baggage car would prevent the ability to travel from the cab car to the rest of the consist.

 

[dowlingm]

You can turn the rear section of the cab car into a baggage car with a sliding door. A bit smaller than a baggage car but having the second car as a baggage car would prevent the ability to travel from the cab car to the rest of the consist.

I was thinking behind the locomotive. I guess it would depend on whether the cab car space described had enough bulk space for Northern Quebec runs.

 

[lenaitch]

Where are they using the coaches currently in the USA? And where do they park them overnight?

Beats me. I was responding to Paul's earlier statement:

the Ventures have been in service in Midwest US winters

lol Once you get down below about -15 it doesn't matter whether it's F or C

- Paul

Ha. We have friends in Yellowknife who say the difference between -20 or -40 is academic and makes no difference in what you do or how you do it.

 

[crs1026]

^To clarify, many Venture coaches are running out of Chicago including on the Borealis thru Minnesota and Wisconsin.,

The Charger locomotives have been running on the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle.

Cold enough.

- PUl

 

[dowlingm]

^To clarify, many Venture coaches are running out of Chicago including on the Borealis thru Minnesota and Wisconsin.,

The Charger locomotives have been running on the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle.

Cold enough.

- PUl

The Chargers have had some issues on Builder, mind you.

 

[crs1026]

The Chargers have had some issues on Builder, mind you.

Indeed. The model as first shipped had plenty of teething troubles.

I would expect that ONR will enjoy the benefit of all that learning, rework, and subsequent modification. (Possibly the sales people have told ONR "we fixed all that" and the test run is all about ONR deciding for themselves if that's really true)

A good example of why it pays not to be the first customer for any new technology - a cautionary tale for people who wonder why we aren't plunging headfirst into battery and hydrogen trains. Let somebody else work the bugs out.

- Paul

 

[roger1818]

lol Once you get down below about -15 it doesn't matter whether it's F or C

- Paul

-15C =+5 F. Hardly what I would consider equivalent. I would put the threshold of where it doesn't matter down around -30 (-40C = -40F).

 

[crs1026]

-15C =+5 F. Hardly what I would consider equivalent. I would put the threshold of where it doesn't matter down around -30 (-40C = -40F).

lol Mathematically, sure. But well below freezing point is well below freezing point.

There are those who say that Toronto's "damp cold" winters are objectionable whereas prairie "Dry Cold" is much easier to tolerate. I have been to the prairies in winter. Cold is cold. Equipment will freeze in either measure.

- Paul

 

[roger1818]

lol Mathematically, sure. But well below freezing point is well below freezing point.

There are those who say that Toronto's "damp cold" winters are objectionable whereas prairie "Dry Cold" is much easier to tolerate. I have been to the prairies in winter. Cold is cold. Equipment will freeze in either measure.

- Paul

True, but +5 doesn't sound cold to me, but -15 does.

 

[micheal_can]

lol Mathematically, sure. But well below freezing point is well below freezing point.

There are those who say that Toronto's "damp cold" winters are objectionable whereas prairie "Dry Cold" is much easier to tolerate. I have been to the prairies in winter. Cold is cold. Equipment will freeze in either measure.

- Paul

I have lived in many places. My wife has too. Wen we visit my family in London ON, she makes the remarks that -5C there is worse than -20Cback home in Sudbury. Ir is the dampness and windchill. I know windchill generally does not affect equipment, but that dampness will. Northern Quebec has a similar climate as North Eastern Ontario. This test is a better test than the Corridor or the Amtrak running in the Midwest.

Another important test has to do with track conditions. ONR had considered using GO bilevels on their service. They even ran one up to Moosonee. It did not fair well. Among the reasons was the swaying on the tracks. While they are doing some work, the tracks won't be as good as most of the Corridor is.

go coach moosonee - Google Search

 

[lenaitch]

lol Mathematically, sure. But well below freezing point is well below freezing point.

There are those who say that Toronto's "damp cold" winters are objectionable whereas prairie "Dry Cold" is much easier to tolerate. I have been to the prairies in winter. Cold is cold. Equipment will freeze in either measure.

- Paul

Concepts such as windchill ('feels like') or dry vs damp cold are more important to warm-blooded creatures. Once you get into 'deep cold' (however defined) vs 'just around freezing', the performance of materials and lubricants becomes important.

 

[crs1026]

Concepts such as windchill ('feels like') or dry vs damp cold are more important to warm-blooded creatures. Once you get into 'deep cold' (however defined) vs 'just around freezing', the performance of materials and lubricants becomes important.

Indeed.... the trace line that keeps something warm at just below freezing will not work at minus forty (either scale). And the lubricants might as well be glue.

It's interesting just where things start to misbehave.... often much closer to the freezing point than one imagines. And get worse as the temp drops from there.

- Paul