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constance_chlore
Active Member
As someone who has more than a couple times come close to being run over by a maniac driver on Jasper, I'm feeling very sickos.jpg about this.Say what? Raised sidewalks across the entire street??? You're now building speed bumps on a major street?
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Barnaby
Senior Member
This isn't for the Jasper Ave crossings. It will only be for the west-east portions.Say what? Raised sidewalks across the entire street??? You're now building speed bumps on a major street?
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Glenco
Senior Member
Yeah it’s getting done. 
kcantor
Senior Member
They're not "speed bumps" in the traditional sense in that they have a relatively nominal effect on vehicles travelling at or less than the speed limit they're meant to reinforce. There's plenty of potholes on our major streets at the moment that are far more hazardous for drivers and vehicles.Say what? Raised sidewalks across the entire street??? You're now building speed bumps on a major street?
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Coprolite
Active Member
Specifically, the words "going east-west" were lost.Say what? Raised sidewalks across the entire street??? You're now building speed bumps on a major street?
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David A
Senior Member
Half of government (or more) exists to over complicate things.
positive1
Active Member
They are not just doing sidewalks and pavement though. They are replacing the watermains and the storm system is being upgraded like it was between 109 and 114. Deep utility construction takes more time.
davcocom
Active Member
I wonder how they are going to affect snow cleaning
Coprolite
Active Member
Offworld
Active Member
Ah, north-south vehicle traffic. OK, that makes more sense.
Otherwise, if they did cross Jasper, then I'd accept the challenge and get enough air with a vehicle, bike, scooter, skis, whatever, to clear the tabletop.
Not with my car though, of course.
dkazzed
Active Member
Communautos will rise to this challenge.
Immotus
New Member
Yikes!I think the quality of work done on many city projects is concerning. See MIP and their huge delays on the valley line west. See TransEd and the numerous errors on the VLSE. That’s engineering, sure. But it’s also the on the ground workers not executing projects with excellence and efficiency.
This project is incompetence and laziness in the sense of it likely taking more work to align complex construction projects, labour, budgets, etc, yet if the work was done to do that, it would significantly serve the businesses/residents/commuters of this area. But instead of the extra effort and intelligence it takes to effectively plan these things, I think the outcome we’re seeing is the easy/lazy approach.
Again, it’s just priorities and values. How much do you care about forcing retailers to endure 3 years of construction? How much do you value people being turned off of coming downtown due to never ending construction? It’s no different than our LRT safety issues. Does it require money? Complex collaboration between multiple orgs? Creative thinking? Yes. It does. But it’s possible because other cities do it.
We just don’t have the skill, will, or money to do stuff better it seems. And it sure doesn’t help that people criticize anyone that suggests it could be better. We are a town that often feels like the stereotypes of government bureaucrats, through and through
Well there isn't much debate on that construction as an industry has become less efficient over the last few decades, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/05/opinion/economy-construction-productivity-mystery.html.
Incompetence and laziness though? That's harsh.
What has changed though?
Generally it's considered to be the growth in 'project stakeholders'.
A common example is the Hoover Dam; the only stakeholder was the budget. The superintendent pushed hard and finished years ahead of schedule, got a massive bonus, and the project was considered a massive success.
Meanwhile he left over 100 dead in his wake, (the exact number is subject to debate as alot of tunneller deaths were classified as disease), there was minimal environmental analysis, QC by modern standards was ad hoc, broader engagement with society wasn't a thing, and the supply chain was far simpler (No PLC's or electronic switchgear back then).
The reaction over time is this explosion of stakeholders; employee's are stakeholders, the environment, the owner has more stringent requirements over documentation of process, the many world wide suppliers need documentation (even paint systems!) or they will void the warranty, people want to be able to access roads and businesses, dust, control of pollution, noise during construction. The Federal government has big projects study their gender impacts; (if you've worked in Ft Mac you know why).
Dealing with brown field underground from before the 80's is a disaster; documentation is wrong or completely missing, meaning months of work to actually find lines you know are there and then cautiously poking around to look for anything else. I imagine this is similar all while keeping traffic flowing; you likely need to plan your lane closures days in advance. That old picture above shows a street completely given over to construction. That's not usual anymore, no?
For my few city projects there's been ton's of effort/money/time spent on Environmental/Archeological/Social monitoring. When Project Managers are monitoring the Facebook of community leaders, cutting PO's to pay certain groups to literally do nothing but watch, how much effort are they spending coordinating the work? So they hire more, projects spend more in the office than on workers in the field. And time on tools studies show that an average 10 hour day has 6 productive hours; filing out reports for all those office workers.
It goes on and on.
It's bad, but society has pushed the industry in this direction. This is not a problem of laziness. These are enormously complex endeavors with too many interfaces to manage.
Gronk!
Senior Member
This is now completed. 118 St has reopened. Great news for those of us who wish to patronize On The Rocks and Famoso.
Edmontonmanía
New Member
so the renovation from 102 st to 109 st is not included in these 3 year’s renovation schedule?
Are they waiting for funds from the CRL to start there?
Are they waiting for funds from the CRL to start there?