WB62
Senior Member
Fair point, it would be yours, but it still doesn’t make it unethical.What do you mean? It will be my coach anyway so I can do whatever I want with it!
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
Why does only VIA have emergency horns and GO doesn't?
Deadpool X
Senior Member
Blow horn, what else?
Krypto98
Active Member
GO does have emergency horns
RU479
Active Member
Well not in the way VIA does
VIA has two seperate horns, one for normal and the other for emergency.
GO has one single horn designed to be both a normal horn at low blast and emergency at full.
However I think anymore horn related discussions will lead to issues so I feel as though we should leave it at that.
crs1026
Superstar
Actually, I will poke the bear just a little for context.
Horns on railway trains are closely regulated by Transport Canada here and by the FRA in the US. The standards that exist today in the two countries are very similar, and they both derive from the same very well researched technical base.
The modifications that led to the newest versions of the standards were driven by concerns that particularly at high speeds, the traditional horns might not be heard well enough, or even recognized as a train horn (as opposed to, say a truck on a nearby highway) and the resulting reaction by motorists or trespassers might be too little, too late. As passenger train speeds have risen on some lines, reaction times have been shortened so safety margins needed adjustment..
All horns in use by major passenger railroads, such as VIA and GO, comply with these more exacting standards. The technical details generally relate to the number of discrete bells, their mounting location, their tuning, and the control valves used. There are many models available on the market. They all work to the same standard. VIA in particular has updated their horns iteratively from an as-delivered state, which means the horn configuration on their older locos today is not necessarily what they would buy next time.
This particular poster has expressed a personal subjective preference for one particular model of horn. They are welcome to their choice. But the selections made by railroads deal with cost, maintainability, reliability, life cycle, etc. So one person’s preference is not a business decision. Hopefully GO is making business decisions first.
As someone who does his share of hornblowing at much slower speeds with preserved equipment, I can tell you that the ability to quill a traditional three-tone horn with an old control valve produces a lovely result. We all have our aesthetic preferences.
GO’s priority is simply to a) be safe and b) meet the regulatory standard.
- Paul
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smallspy
Senior Member
From an operator and pneumatic standpoint, they are identical. There are two buttons, one for "regular" and one for "emergency", with the only difference between them being the air pressure in the circuit. Higher air pressure directly correlates to a louder horn.
VIA and AMT have chosen to apply two sets of horns to their locomotives and control units.
GO (and apparently WCE) instead use a split manifold. Air from the "regular" circuit goes into one half of the manifold and goes into 2 trumpets of the 5-trumpet horn, while the air from the "emergency" circuit goes into the other half of the manifold and goes into the other 3 trumpets.
This ruling applies to only passenger trains travelling over 65mph, and came about from various noise complaints over the years - before the regulations had a fairly broad range (~85 to 115dB, IIRC) that the horn could operate in. Since then, horns have to be inspected and tested pretty frequently, and the noise generated by them is generally fairly consistent - which the neighbourhoods around the tracks appreciate.
Locomotives Design Requirements (Part II)
These rules prescribe the minimum safety standards for locomotives operated by railway companies subject to the jurisdiction of Transport Canada pursuant to the Railway Safety Act.
Dan
gotransitboyhere
Active Member
When is GO 206 going into service? And I let's celebrate the 100 page anniversary!!!!
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RU479
Active Member
You know, I wonder how does GO handle yard switching? I see that often times they just take an F59 or rarely an MP54 and use it as a yard switcher but is there any sort of planning in place to determine what will be a yard switcher and for how long?
nfitz
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Congratulations on starting page 100 of the thread!
drum118
Superstar
As far as I know and could be wrong on the car number, 2522 had a small fire on it it today with the fire department dealing with it at Port Credit GO Station on an eastbound train.. 3 Peel Police vehicles and and an ML Special Constable offices on site as well.
Riders where transfer to another eastbound train on track 2.
Riders where transfer to another eastbound train on track 2.
smallspy
Senior Member
They use whatever they have available. The crews prefer the F59s because of the front platform, but if an MP40 is what is available, that is what they will use.
For a while they were doing their best to keep an F59 available for switching, but currently there is no actual preference to the power planners.
I don't have a car number, but it was the accessible coach on train 1014. A passenger started the fire while in the bathroom.
Dan
Krypto98
Active Member
Is it the Alstom crews that do the switching or just another 3rd party like the shop guys
Richard White
Senior Member
How the hell?
drum118
Superstar
According to WIKI, 2522 is an accessibility car built in 2003. Everyone was camp outside of it. Saw no one being being held over the fire unless they were out of sight as ML and Peel police were talking to others on site and no one in a vehicle on site.