RU479
Active Member
That isn’t what happening, NJT is actually ordering brand new EMUs with the Multilevel design, they are not converting already existing Multilevels into EMUs.
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smallspy
Senior Member
The concept is potentially applicable to Toronto, but the equipment is absolutely not. It is not well suited to the type of frequent-stop commuter service that many want GO to aspire to (and which it hopes to achieve). Even in Montréal the equipment has garnered large numbers of complaints from passengers and crews due to narrow doorways and limited exits.
The first cars are already being built at La Pocatière, not Thunder Bay.
You're right, but it's.......complicated.
While it's true that they are not converting currently existing equipment, the plan is to operate these new powered Multilevels in consists with the existing equipment. Some of the planning documents have shown a 3-car couplet composed of an existing cab car, a new powered Multilevel, and an existing coach in a semi-permanent arrangement, and to which 1 or more 3-car couplet(s) would then be attached to.
Dan
SashaLemon
Active Member
I am under the understanding that EMUs will not be used initially, and that locomotives will be used instead. I wonder if this means all the new locomotives will be bi-mode electric and diesel, or if there would be a mixture between the hybrid ones and electric only ones.
So what model(s) of locomotive do you reckon are likely? I would assume Alstom models. Perhaps they could be custom Traxx trains with significant diesel power, like a modern version of the ALP-45DP. Electric only models could just be regular Traxx locos. Or will they come up with some "made in Canada" (not just physically but design wise) solution?
Edit: If they are modifying the cars can they please install some time of gap filler so we can build level platforms?
So what model(s) of locomotive do you reckon are likely? I would assume Alstom models. Perhaps they could be custom Traxx trains with significant diesel power, like a modern version of the ALP-45DP. Electric only models could just be regular Traxx locos. Or will they come up with some "made in Canada" (not just physically but design wise) solution?
Edit: If they are modifying the cars can they please install some time of gap filler so we can build level platforms?
RU479
Active Member
Afaik the locos will be electric only, and the diesel sections will be operated with the current diesel locomotives.
I believe GO is planning on moving the current fixed steps on the BiLevels to allow them to raise the platforms to 610 mm ATR (matching the current accessbility car platforms)
SashaLemon
Active Member
Seems kind of silly to me to have both shiny new electric locomotives running with the diesel trains. Would there be any issues with the old trains being slower and slowing the new trains down? Or am I worrying about a issue that doesn't exist?
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Different locomotive types do indeed have different performance, but there are also plenty of other variables which can cancel that out. Most notably the stopping pattern and the train length.
Electric trains will be initially used on local services (e.g. to Bramalea) while diesel trains are used on longer-distance express services (e.g. to Kitchener/London). So increasing the discrepancy in locomotive performance will actually decrease the discrepancy in average speed between services by speeding up the all-stops trains. GO can also continue to play with the performance characteristics by balancing the number of coaches per locomotive like they currently do with the F59 locomotives.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Taken just now. 206 lashed up to a train, facing the wrong way, and behind a loco. But looks like more serious testing starting.
RU479
Active Member
Apparently the MP40 (613), is out of service.
Also I don’t think GO would be testing it as the last coach facing backwards. However the interior lights seem to be on so maybe appears to be some small testing?
RU479
Active Member
So apparently 206 was placed into service.(image not mine)
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
I assume behind a locomotive, as per the consist I posted.
drum118
Superstar
Yep!!... as you can see the rear of the locomotive steps and railing to the bottom left
RU479
Active Member
I kinda had a feeling it would enter service for the first time this way. GO has tested the older cab cars this way in the past.
Here’s cab cars 251 and 252 as the last car of the train back when they were first delivered in 2008.
Here’s cab cars 251 and 252 as the last car of the train back when they were first delivered in 2008.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
How do they test it behind the locomotive? Using a spotter?
crs1026
Superstar
"Test" needs to be clarified.
They are not using it as a control car from that location, at least not in service. They may be able to isolate the rest of the train and do static testing of the MU and communications with the loco.
Putting it next to the loco saves a lot of walking if there is troubleshooting needed, and most importantly if the car needs to be set off, it's an easy switching move to just double it away from the rest of the train.
I suspect the "test" is simply putting it on a train as a non-controlling coach and running it as such for a few trips to verify non-control functionality, ie do the brakes, HVAC, comms, doors, HEP work properly. Marshalling it next to the loco may simply have been a convenience - simplest switching move to get it onto a train.
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smallspy
Senior Member
It was not in service.
It was shuttled to the Whitby Maintenance facility with a bunch of other equipment last night. It's currently sitting with all of those other cars - and still pointing backwards - along the bad-order track on the south side of the facility.
Dan