[smallspy]

Face it... ML most likely is just too cheap or dumb for DB to run things here. They probably saw the writing on the wall when they saw just how poorly run the operations are and decided to leave....

To the contrary, this is the second time in the past 20 years when a German corporation walked into a project here, and had to be unceremoniously walked right back out.

To follow your logic, we should stop working with German firms.

Dan

 

[generalcanada]

To the contrary, this is the second time in the past 20 years when a German corporation walked into a project here, and had to be unceremoniously walked right back out.

To follow your logic, we should stop working with German firms.

Dan

2nd? what was the 1st?

 

[Red_Bulmer]

Great new video about Go Expansion from a new and impressive infrastructure megaproject Youtube channel: Airside Vision

Inside Toronto’s C$12BN Mega Railway

*This video did come out before recent contract changes were in the media*

 

[cplchanb]

To the contrary, this is the second time in the past 20 years when a German corporation walked into a project here, and had to be unceremoniously walked right back out.

To follow your logic, we should stop working with German firms.

Dan

well if DB is the incompetent one why did ML break the partnership so secretly? IIRC they went full public lashing on crosslinx for their ineptitudes.
clearly both sides dont see eye to eye but based on DB's deep track record vs ML's flimsy one, until there is proof otherwise, I am inclined to believe that ML is the incompetent one here.

 

[crs1026]

Great new video about Go Expansion from a new and impressive infrastructure megaproject Youtube channel: Airside Vision

Inside Toronto’s C$12BN Mega Railway

*This video did come out before recent contract changes were in the media*

Interesting. A few liberties taken (what Ontario Nuclear plant has cooling towers?) and a lot of repeat footage of the same limited construction projects.

Reminds us of the up side, which we should be grateful for.... GO Expansion is a really ambitious project, and a truly transformational one.

Unfortunately, it is turning out to have a substantial vapourware component, and it is not being executed with "precision" as the narrator claims. Some of us wonder how much will actually emerge in our lifetimes.

- Paul

 

[smallspy]

2nd? what was the 1st?

Siemens in 2007 with the USRC resignalling contract. Within a year they were already 6 months behind schedule, and it only got worse until they were quietly removed in 2011. They greatly underestimated the complexity of the project and overlooked key issues with the regulatory environment. (Hmm, that sounds familiar....)

well if DB is the incompetent one why did ML break the partnership so secretly? IIRC they went full public lashing on crosslinx for their ineptitudes.

Because you don't want to piss of your potential dance partners. DB was not the main partner here, just one of them. The other parties in the consortium are or may be involved in other projects for Metrolinx,. and you want them to keep coming back for more.

Do you think that they went zero-to-one-hundred with Crosslinx? Of course not, they tried many things before they went public with it. Of course, some of those quiet options were things like going to court, so there is a public record there - and it was eventually found out by the press.

Dan

 

[generalcanada]

Siemens in 2007 with the USRC resignalling contract. Within a year they were already 6 months behind schedule, and it only got worse until they were quietly removed in 2011. They greatly underestimated the complexity of the project and overlooked key issues with the regulatory environment. (Hmm, that sounds familiar....)

Im not sure how much siemens bids on projects in ontario nowadays, but interestingly they were one of the bidders in the original Go expansion bid
or as IO called it "2nd negotiations proponent"

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Siemens in 2007 with the USRC resignalling contract. Within a year they were already 6 months behind schedule, and it only got worse until they were quietly removed in 2011. They greatly underestimated the complexity of the project and overlooked key issues with the regulatory environment. (Hmm, that sounds familiar....)


Because you don't want to piss of your potential dance partners. DB was not the main partner here, just one of them. The other parties in the consortium are or may be involved in other projects for Metrolinx,. and you want them to keep coming back for more.

Do you think that they went zero-to-one-hundred with Crosslinx? Of course not, they tried many things before they went public with it. Of course, some of those quiet options were things like going to court, so there is a public record there - and it was eventually found out by the press.

Dan

Are you able to tell from your position/sources whether the exit of DB is going to have a dramatic impact on the ambitions of GO Expansion?

Or is it just more likely to delay things rather than detract from the overall set of project goals?

 

[cplchanb]

Are you able to tell from your position/sources whether the exit of DB is going to have a dramatic impact on the ambitions of GO Expansion?

Or is it just more likely to delay things rather than detract from the overall set of project goals?

on the topic of project goals.... remember it was originally conceived as EMU express lines... now it appears that we'll get barely 2 lines electrified. we just squander projects with incompetence

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

on the topic of project goals.... remember it was originally conceived as EMU express lines... now it appears that we'll get barely 2 lines electrified. we just squander projects with incompetence

The chart you are referring to lacks appropriate context. We have no idea whether it is the new north star for GO Expansion or just a "minimum viable project" as one source is claiming.

 

[WB62]

With every GO Expansion map thats released there a dozen we don’t get to see, theres a ton of context missing that nobody could understand without seeing the full picture.

 

[chrisw]

They spent 2.5 years on the development agreement after selecting a bidder. Not that any of it is public but it's interesting how flexible the implementation timeline for Go Expansion is, you'd have thought signing the contract would've finalized some things.

 

[Urban Sky]

They spent 2.5 years on the development agreement after selecting a bidder. Not that any of it is public but it's interesting how flexible the implementation timeline for Go Expansion is, you'd have thought signing the contract would've finalized some things.

I somehow suspect that this „flexibility in implementation timeline“ is one of the reasons that the operating contract folded, as you can‘t assume any entrepreneurial (and revenue) risks if the availability of infrastructure is so much in flux…

 

[smallspy]

I somehow suspect that this „flexibility in implementation timeline“ is one of the reasons that the operating contract folded, as you can‘t assume any entrepreneurial (and revenue) risks if the availability of infrastructure is so much in flux…

Especially when the division of that same corporation which is in charge of implementing the infrastructure for that operating scheme can't get enough time windows to do the infrastructure work required because they aren't able to follow the existing regulatory requirements.

Dan

 

[Yeltsa Kcir]

Especially when the division of that same corporation which is in charge of implementing the infrastructure for that operating scheme can't get enough time windows to do the infrastructure work required because they aren't able to follow the existing regulatory requirements.

Dan

Didn't someone on here post a little while ago that new track laying/maintenance machinery was being procured to take better advantage of the short time windows?