Urban Sky
Senior Member
That would certainly address one issue, but I highly doubt that this was the most important (let alone: sole) problem here…
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crs1026
Superstar
Ordered, yes, but not delivered, to my knowledge. The logistics yards are not yet ready to receive them yet. And, as @smallspy notes, not clear as to how they will be deployed.
Or by whom.... ML's subcontractor arrangements for right of way upkeep are a centipede with respect to left hand right hand disconnects.
- Paul
Northern Light
Superstar
Could you elaborate on that last point Dan?
Yeltsa Kcir
New Member
Do you know what types of machinery (brand/model #'s) were ordered and how many? Youtube's been recommending me a lot of those videos for some reason lately.
crs1026
Superstar
Here is what ML has said
Meet GO Transit’s massive track surfacing machine
Metrolinx News spotlights track surfacing machine
www.metrolinx.com
Building a strong foundation for GO Expansion’s OnCorr project
Look back at the work done over the last two years on this unprecedented transit expansion project.
www.metrolinx.com
Word of mouth comments from staffers have indicated that even bigger machines are being procured. There are indeed lots of youtube videos originating from Europe and India showing train-size machines that replace and surface tracks in a high production environment.
It's not clear whether ML is procuring/operating these directly or (more likely) have subcontactors run them
- Paul
smallspy
Senior Member
The short and the long of it is....
Some of the section heads that have been brought in are from overseas, and do not yet understand the regulatory environment. There has been a lot of "...but this is how we do it back home" without understanding why that isn't the way its done here.
On top of that, there have been certain projects that have been setup as outside of the railway regulatory environment but having to use "time" from the railways in order to perform them - a lot of the work going on at Exhibition falls into this, as does the corridor work to the east of the Don. This has generally been fine in the case of the corridor work, but in the case of Exhibition it is much more complicated as they are not able to take tracks out of service for any great length of time.
Dan
Ward8
Active Member
Is this a problem with us or them? Or both? Clearly there are indications of a lack of preparedness on their part, but I also have a hard time believing we couldn't learn from them.
crs1026
Superstar
We absolutely can learn from them..... but what we can't do is just rewrite the rulebook and implement it in one fell swoop. The rulebook(s) are codified, the most important ones are enshrined as a regulation to the Railway Safety Act and overseen by Transport Canada. There would have to be a whole process of study and review before these rulebooks could be revised. Probably some other provincial codes or regulations also.
It's like saying, we could go faster if we abolished stop signs and drove on the left. Possibly true, and worth pursuing.... but if Onxpress believed they could impose that on Day One, either they didn't investigate the regulatory environment or somebody sold them the proverbial bill of goods.
- Paul
PS - While the rulebooks elsewhere may in fact be superior to ours, most of the GO lines do share track with other railways, even if only for a couple of miles. I can't imagine a regime where trains operate to one set of rules while on ML tracks and switch to another set of rules when they enter CN or CPKC territory. Nor can I imagine VIA operating on ML that way and the "old way" on CN. This mixed regime premise is a showstopper, IMHO.
hw621
Senior Member
so what now? the whole electrification is a hoax?
smallspy
Senior Member
As Paul correctly pointed out, we can absolutely learn some things from them.......
But one thing to consider is that there is a saying within the railway (and many other) industries - "all rules are written in blood". Rules were created in the first place to prevent more casualties, and if you're ignorant of those cases then you won't know why the rules were created to prevent more of them.
And yes, there are absolutely things that can be done to prevent future incidents - the advent of technological methods such as PTC signal overlays, for instance - but in a lot of cases there just is no other way right now to safely circumvent the rules that have been put into place - and for good reason.
Dan
jackhauen
New Member
Hi everyone,
I'm Jack Hauen, a reporter with The Trillium in the Queen's Park Press Gallery. I'm pursuing a story about the ONxpress situation, since Metrolinx, as I'm sure you all know, won't say much. I'd like to explain to our readers what happened and what MX should learn from the breakup.
To do that, I need to speak with people who have worked or currently work for ONX or MX about their experience, anonymously. If you choose to speak with me, I'll need to verify your identity, but I would be the only one who would know it. While I know that can be scary, and I can't promise that you will never be found out, I've written several articles this way and haven't had a case of a discovered identity yet.
Please feel free to DM me here or send me an email at jack@thetrillium.ca. My number is 647-216-6071, and it's the same on Signal. And if you know of anyone who might want to chat, please pass along my information.
Thanks, everyone, for your time.
Jack
I'm Jack Hauen, a reporter with The Trillium in the Queen's Park Press Gallery. I'm pursuing a story about the ONxpress situation, since Metrolinx, as I'm sure you all know, won't say much. I'd like to explain to our readers what happened and what MX should learn from the breakup.
To do that, I need to speak with people who have worked or currently work for ONX or MX about their experience, anonymously. If you choose to speak with me, I'll need to verify your identity, but I would be the only one who would know it. While I know that can be scary, and I can't promise that you will never be found out, I've written several articles this way and haven't had a case of a discovered identity yet.
Please feel free to DM me here or send me an email at jack@thetrillium.ca. My number is 647-216-6071, and it's the same on Signal. And if you know of anyone who might want to chat, please pass along my information.
Thanks, everyone, for your time.
Jack
felix123
Active Member
A long-shot because of our corrupt DoFo government, but I hope your article is the last straw and brings ML to its knees.
sixrings
Senior Member
Everyone is delusional. You give a man three majorities and it’s basically asking him to be a dictator which is exactly what he is being. Everyone is going to suffer but as much as it’s always election season to the fords it’s also actually four years away.
nfitz
Superstar
At least, even if slower than planned, projects get done. There's a dozen or so major projects under construction - which is unprecedented. I fully expected them to cancel GO Expansion, Finch West and Hurontario, and not start anything else.
Dan416
Senior Member
Didn't DoFo call the election early? Which means he'll probably do the same again? So maybe less than 4 years.