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whattheheck said:
by adding the renewables debate, you're conflating two different issues. that's disingenuous.

We need to ensure the right type of infill is going in. 8 plexes are nothing but future boarding houses. How are such structures supposed to help revitalize core communities? By making them transient? What will they look like in 20 years via absentee landlords etc. What's needed is family-friendly infill, built with good materials. Large windows. Buildings that don't look like cheap garbage with gravel covered yards (because the landlord doesn't want to have landscaping to maintain.)
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whattheheck said:
What evidence do you have that it won't?

Listen, I base my concerns on human nature. Not some rendering or blueprint where everything is perfect. How much do you wanna bet than when this building was built: https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26996494/10603-107-av-nw-edmonton-central-mcdougall

that they envisioned a cool urban place to live, great for up and comers. Yeah, so how did it turn out in reality?!

There's nothing inherently wrong with an 8 plex. But an 8 plex, in a neighbourhood with schools and amenities for families should at least have 4 of those units at 3 bed, two bath. And the 8 plex itself should NOT be on a lot where it barely fits, forcing homes to be so tiny, it makes it so people (who have the means) to want to eventually leave for something bigger, leaving the small, tiny apartments, clad in cheap plastic siding to people without the means. So, in 40 years, as the eigh-plex starts to age, it will be more disadvantaged that will take up residence, turning it into a rooming house.
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Gonna respond in this thread because it's more appropriate than the Ice District Phase 2 one.

I see many designs and floorplans for new infills through my current job. The vast majority of the "8-plexes" you are referring to are 4-dwelling townhomes (side-by-side and front-to-back) with secondary suites for each unit. Each townhome unit has between 3-4 bedrooms and each secondary suite has 1-2 bedrooms (mostly 2 in the plans I have seen). If that doesn't cater to multiple markets, including families, then I don't know what does. And if I may: Single adults and couples are valued members of our society as well :)

There are small apartment buildings, but as of now they are actually relatively rare as they're classed as Major Developments, and therefore have more requirements for their permits.

Quantity over quality design has been an issue for decades in both the Infill and Greenfield development industries. It's not endemic to either 8-dwelling apartment buildings or single detached homes. I think it's unfortunate that good urban design has to be mandated, for sure, but the proposed changes demonstrate that public concerns are being heard and addressed while keeping with the intentions of the Zoning Bylaw.
 
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Edmonton group pushes growth, claims suburbs generate more taxes than costs - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca

On Tuesday, BILD Edmonton Metro and industry leaders released their Urban Growth Case Study. The report examined two of Edmonton’s fastest-growing areas.
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Edmonton developers push for south sprawl as new report shows city's costs and benefits

With infill being the hot topic in Edmonton, builders are hoping to get urban sprawl back into the conversation and are calling on the next council to stop blocking Edmonton’s expansion south as this fall’s election approaches. Bild Edmonton Metro out with a new report Tuesday, making the case...
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TAS said:
Do they feel walkable to nearby third places, cafes etc?
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Windermere/Ambleside is an absolute car sewer and not good for transit, but it can be argued that certain parts of Heritage Valley and Chappelle are a bit better.

Generally speaking, there are way too many extremely wide roads with 5+ lanes and massive parking lots to navigate that impede walkability.
 
thommyjo said:
Dense isn’t the same as:
- walkable
- vibrant
- transit efficient
- rebuildable
- amenity rich
- green
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Good-on-ya you've managed to pick up on all of the catch phrases of the New Urbanism (now tired and old)... let's try for some original thought.
 
Barnaby said:
These developers should really stop receiving permits to expand when they could be buying lots in Blatchford, Exhibition, Quarters, DT.
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Hmmm, maybe you have something. In order to get expansion permits they have to do something in blatchford, or another central neighborhood with density, The energy industry has to do “offsets” all the time to get permits.
 
archited said:
Good-on-ya you've managed to pick up on all of the catch phrases of the New Urbanism (now tired and old)... let's try for some original thought.
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You’re right. Let’s be more original, walking is sooo 3000BC.

You’re suggesting we shouldn’t care about walkability, sustainability, transit efficiency, 15min communities?

I’m simply saying all our city plans, guiding documents, and goals are anchored by those concepts. Not “density”, but metrics related to transportation, green initiatives, and access to amenities. And yet BILD is arguing for more city building strategies that literally more is farther from the city goals, not closer to them.
 
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