nfitz
Superstar
I've never had a problem. But I mostly ride downtown, particularly on Gerrard.
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Northern Light
Superstar
This can't be a tragedy..... it must be satire:
hw621
Senior Member
It is not even that cold, and no snow...
PL1
Senior Member
Apparently Line 6 should have been subjected to more testing. It clearly was not ready for prime time... Or any time
Edit: I mean not currently ready. I think (or hope) it will be fine to good in the future.
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drum118
Superstar
While fixing photos shot in 2012, I fill in missing info and streaming tags with two things jump out at me for them. All LRT tracks I have seen in Europe Have a groove rail system something TTC had until there was no supplier in NA who produce them. TTC gets special ones for switches from X.
Alstom Citadis is their main platform for LRV's with over 8,000's built so far in various styles and setup. The Citadis Spirit are only used in NA with Ottawa and the Finch line that has them in service at this time.
The profile of Europe rail head is slight different than NA rails. I don't know if the Ottawa Lines, the Finch Line and the Hurontario Line are using NA rails or Europe rails.
Since Alstom is sticking to the Citadis platform for the bogies for NA, the bogies will have an issue with NA rails without grooves for straight tacks as well curves that don't have groove rail encased in the road or ROW. One reason why al lot of the Hurontario line is been ripped up and rebuilt to meet Alstom bogies requirements. I haven't seen any non encase rails in Europe for any streetcar/tram/LRV system.
Nice France 2012
No overhead area In The Place Masséna (1844)
Lignes d'Azur 23 Alstom Citadis 302 35m (2006) LRV/Tram On Nice Tramway In The Place Masséna (1844) With Pantograph Down. Takes 10 seconds at each stations to change power source.
Alstom Citadis is their main platform for LRV's with over 8,000's built so far in various styles and setup. The Citadis Spirit are only used in NA with Ottawa and the Finch line that has them in service at this time.
The profile of Europe rail head is slight different than NA rails. I don't know if the Ottawa Lines, the Finch Line and the Hurontario Line are using NA rails or Europe rails.
Since Alstom is sticking to the Citadis platform for the bogies for NA, the bogies will have an issue with NA rails without grooves for straight tacks as well curves that don't have groove rail encased in the road or ROW. One reason why al lot of the Hurontario line is been ripped up and rebuilt to meet Alstom bogies requirements. I haven't seen any non encase rails in Europe for any streetcar/tram/LRV system.
Nice France 2012
No overhead area In The Place Masséna (1844)
Lignes d'Azur 23 Alstom Citadis 302 35m (2006) LRV/Tram On Nice Tramway In The Place Masséna (1844) With Pantograph Down. Takes 10 seconds at each stations to change power source.
Amare
Senior Member
How long will it be, and what else will it take for these bums at Mosaic to be fired?
I'm also curious on the data relating to the MDBF for the Citadis, it must be absolutely atrocious.
I'm also curious on the data relating to the MDBF for the Citadis, it must be absolutely atrocious.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
They should have stuck with Bombardier
urbanclient
Senior Member
Good thing Bombardier didn't get bought out by the makers of the Citadis Spirit...right?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
But the fundamental design is very different.
urbanclient
Senior Member
AFAIK, the Flexity Freedoms have been out of production for 5 years, to restart production would be infeasible at this point. It's not surprising that Alstom would push their own rolling stock family (which are usually quite good, except for the Spirits). Hamilton's LRT will likely be stuck with the defective Spirits as well... The province seems to be gearing up for Alstom Citadis streetcars as well (I speculate). I can only hope that they're not derived from the Spirits.
If you zoom in on the tram below, it's clearly an Alstom Citadis, dare I say, it looks identical to the Ottawa Spirits...
Bordercollie
Senior Member
That's not true. The TTC ordered 60 to augment their fleet and there have been Edmonton cars being built as well.
urbanclient
Senior Member
I think you're mistaking the Flexity Outlook streetcars with the Freedoms for the 3 LRT lines in Canada:
Alstom signs contract to supply 60 new Flexity streetcars for the City of Toronto
2 June 2021 – Alstom will supply a total of 60 Flexity 100% low-floor, zero-emission light rail vehicles (LRVs) to the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) in Ontario, Canada, under a contract valued at
Edmonton received its last Flexity Freedom for the Valley Line in Q1 2021. They ordered trams for the Valley Line extension from Hyundai Rotem in November 2021:
Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) Procurement | City of Edmonton
The Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) procurement process for the Valley Line West began in 2020.
All evidence points to the Flexity Freedoms being out of production, since the last were delivered in early 2021.
hw621
Senior Member
And some people on this forum are wondering why there is so much negativity towards these lines...
robmausser
Senior Member
Yep, Vision Zero is an incredibly emotionally charged and political propaganda speak. It has nothing to do with reason or logic. Its an emotional response to the assumption that it would be immoral to allow for absolutely any deaths ever, no matter how random and rare they were.
There's only one way to get to Vision Zero, if we all stay home and lock our doors. Total curfew.
White Pine
Active Member
Couldn't they just order the regular citadis for the streetcar fleet? I had thought that the spirit was modded for more subway-like service, and the mods wouldn't be needed on the streetcar network.