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Admiral Beez
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lastcommodore
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I think the problem is the TTC seems to take the zero in vision zero seriously given they have such insane speed restritions in the name of VZ that not even the founders of VZ implemented.
That being said- I am never a fan of these bits where someone makes a slogan that explicitly states the 'extreme' position- here, zero deaths, but when actually pressured about it its actually the less extreme position, oh and also youre arguing in bad faith for saying I want the extreme position, and so on... Can we just say what we actually believe and not strawman ourselves? I never liked the term 'Vision Zero' for this.
Admiral Beez
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Any adjustor (or Six Sigma grad) would say there is an a reasonable level of expected faults (i.e. death) in any system or process. Zero is an impossible goal, and thus making it an unreachable objective, where by its binary nature means you fail every day no matter how hard you try, results eventually in apathy. Instead we need to set a reasonable number of faults (deaths and injuries), ideally by looking at the safest systems in the world, and use them as the goal.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Vision Zero – a history
Car-free Central Park, New York City Vision Zero flows from a Safe Systems approach to road safety management in which human life and health is the first and foremost consideration when designing a…
actionvisionzero.org
It can be argued that certain decisions and limitations do not accord with VZ principles even while branded as VZ, because political chicanery. But give me a choice between Swedish practicality and The Six Sigma Wheel of Domination, I'll trust the Swedes.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I don't have a background in urban planning but every friggin change the city implements seems to make things worse!Vision Zero – a history
Car-free Central Park, New York City Vision Zero flows from a Safe Systems approach to road safety management in which human life and health is the first and foremost consideration when designing a…
It can be argued that certain decisions and limitations do not accord with VZ principles even while branded as VZ, because political chicanery. But give me a choice between Swedish practicality and The Six Sigma Wheel of Domination, I'll trust the Swedes.
Lowering speed limits from 60 to 40 on the Queensway mean drivers are MORE aggressive since you now have a greater "mix" of speeds travelled
I frequent an area where the roads were narrowed and it results in vehicles drifting past their lane more frequently, and snow/rain are a much bigger issue due to reduced width!
Lastly delaying the oncoming green signal after an advanced left turn resulted IN MORE CARS illegally turning left on a red light (stunt driving)
dowlingm
Senior Member
Given that fines don't deter some drivers, and drivers that are deterred get their clientelist politicians to remove the cameras, I can only offer my previous solution
Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
This is surprising considering Google sucks at updating their routing for a number of the restrictions downtown, eg. most King St. thru and turning restrictions. Do you have an example? I just checked. When it was first implemented it took 3 or 4 days last decade for them to add the...
Monarch Butterfly
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I remember in the 1960s during rush hour, seeing the Bloor streetcar trains (two PCC streetcars) closing their doors, and as the traffic signals turn yellow, the train starts to cross the intersection, and the rear car is still in the intersection as the signal turns red. The cross traffic would have to wait until the streetcar train clears the intersection, even though they would have the green light.
With today's micromanaging, the light rail trains and Flexity streetcars (same length as 2 PCC streetcars) are prevented from doing the same.
With today's micromanaging, the light rail trains and Flexity streetcars (same length as 2 PCC streetcars) are prevented from doing the same.
nfitz
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I very frequently find myself standing waiting cross while being able to see the walk light through the windows of the streetcar; especially at the intersections with track work so they go through slower. I don't see much prevention.
Steve X
Senior Member
The roadway condition is too good to be driving 40 km/h.
Also the core is fill with drivers trying to make a living. They should definitely cap the number of rideshare, taxis and food couriers to a lower number. These are the folks that tend to beat every light to get more trips in.
PL1
Senior Member
We had a system that capped taxis. And then Uber came in as a "disruptor", and governments caved. Sure, we have great choice and likely pay less. But the drivers are not as good, and there are more cars driving about waiting for their next fares.
And to be clear, the permanent taxi plate system was terrible. I'm not sad any of the plate owners lost money.
I use food delivery apps, too. They are convenient, but there is a cost in terms of traffic and drivers motivated to break the law to get more money
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Good video from the CBC that sums up all the issues regarding Line 6.
It feels so backwards that we're talking about these things now after the Line opened.
It feels so backwards that we're talking about these things now after the Line opened.
6ixGod
Active Member
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it almost feels like Metrolinx deliberately opened these lines in the dead of winter. Don’t get me wrong….I loathe Line 6 and Line 5. The fact these are even numbered lines is a complete joke. But if ML really wanted to hide the flaws (or cushion the blows), they would have opened in summer or at the earliest spring. Instead, Line 6 opens in the dead of winter and fails within a week, exposing every problem immediately. Line 5 is opening in February, and it’s easy to imagine the same thing happening all over again. Add in the slow trams and lack of TSP….part of me wonders if someone deliberately timed the openings just to prove how these LRTs don’t work in Toronto and would create a massive public backlash against them.
I wonder who that could be.
hw621
Senior Member
Conspiracy or not, the line doesn't work.