hawc
Senior Member
We need some grown-ups running these things.
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picard102
Senior Member
Best we can do is conservatives funneling money to their friends and donors.
Fred.S
Active Member
These switch issues seem to highlight to me some questionable design choices on this line that I noticed when I first rode it.
Departing Finch West station, the LRT immediately climbs up to a signalized intersection (Romfield Lane), with the exposed track switch right before. Couldn't they have extended the tunnel past here to avoid the intersection (it has no stop) and then keep the track switch underground and protected from the elements?
At Hwy 27, the LRT makes the turn underground, then in trench, but raises up to street level, then right down again to the station, again with an exposed switch. This whole section should have remained underground, with the track switch covered. Humber College Station itself should have been an underground station like Finch West, instead of inexplicably a "surface stop" down in a trench.
These are presumably the two most important switches and stations on the line, and it seems to me they could have been protected from the elements. Maybe there were cost or utility conflict limitations, but I somehow doubt it was anything that couldn't be overcome, especially given the operational and maintenance benefits for a multi-billion dollar line that will probably be around long after all of us.
Departing Finch West station, the LRT immediately climbs up to a signalized intersection (Romfield Lane), with the exposed track switch right before. Couldn't they have extended the tunnel past here to avoid the intersection (it has no stop) and then keep the track switch underground and protected from the elements?
At Hwy 27, the LRT makes the turn underground, then in trench, but raises up to street level, then right down again to the station, again with an exposed switch. This whole section should have remained underground, with the track switch covered. Humber College Station itself should have been an underground station like Finch West, instead of inexplicably a "surface stop" down in a trench.
These are presumably the two most important switches and stations on the line, and it seems to me they could have been protected from the elements. Maybe there were cost or utility conflict limitations, but I somehow doubt it was anything that couldn't be overcome, especially given the operational and maintenance benefits for a multi-billion dollar line that will probably be around long after all of us.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
They couldn't even make the curve the right radius for the trains running on it.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Mosaic gets hit with financial penalties for the line being down. You would think that having foresight to plow or clear the snow than to be hit with financial penalties.
They can't be that incompetent to not understand that not clearing switches will result in trains not being able to be run and that would result in financial penalties.
So the logical thing would be after the first time would ensure that the switches are cleared to ensure trains can keep running.
But for whatever reason they don't understand it. Maybe they want to bankrupt themselves and walk away? That would be my only logical conclusion.
JasonParis
Moderator
I think many of Line 6's problems come down to this old adage...
Amare
Senior Member
Or it could be that the financial penalties and clauses in the contract are weak, to the point that Mosaic doesnt really care to properly act/dont see the lack of maintenance as much of a problem.
And knowing Metrolinx' track record of contract management/negotiation, we shouldnt be surprised if that was that case.
We dont know exactly what the contract specifies so unfortunately we cant say for sure.
urbanclient
Senior Member
How are you so sure? If they're not being penalized, then your conclusion doesn't hold. I don't discount the possibility that you have access to more info than a redacted contract.
I've scoured this contract, and don't even see where it says Mosaic (Project Co) is responsible for snow and ice clearing after testing i.e. upon substantial completion, during revenue service etc. The words 'snow' and 'ice' only appear in two clauses that involve phases before revenue / regular service. https://www.infrastructureontario.c...547f7993/finch-project-agreement-redacted.pdf
Nothing here explicitly outlining snow and ice or 'winter' either:
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Monarch Butterfly
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Should install canopies over the track switches if snow or ice are a problem.
Start with the open light rail stations next to the track switches. Would help protect waiting passengers from the elements as well. (Should consider canopies for open subway track switches, as well.)
Start with the open light rail stations next to the track switches. Would help protect waiting passengers from the elements as well. (Should consider canopies for open subway track switches, as well.)
innsertnamehere
Superstar
nfitz
Superstar
But are the financial penalties large enough to make it more expensive to have a larger workforce or big $ snow contracts in place.
Meanwhile on the TTC where LRVs are better than subway in the snow, there's a lot of workers on the ground.
Almost like the old days!
littlewill1166
Active Member
26.1 Overall Responsibility(a) Project Co shall, following the Substantial Completion Date, perform the Maintenance andRehabilitation Services:
(iv) in accordance with the Maintenance Plan;
urbanclient
Senior Member
I believe you, but where under that section does it mention the terms: winter, ice or snow? Or something to the effect of keeping the trackside infrastructure clear of obstruction caused by weather.
urbanclient
Senior Member
@WearyInspection5396 seems to be a real operator based on post history. Winterization was an afterthought and TSP seems to be DOA. So ready the pitchforks?
From: https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1qnvz67/comment/o1wya00/
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hawc
Senior Member
^^^
Vision Zero y'all.
Not a single accident can ever occur.
To get there, let's treat everyone like babies and make sure the whole city shall never move faster than 30km/h.
Hopefully soon it will be 20 km/h.
And then eventually 6km/h... walking pace.
Shoot, someone could still trip. Maybe everyone should just stay in their homes.
But, but, but Europe....
You brought this on yourselves people! Enjoy your 30km/h city.
Vision Zero y'all.
Not a single accident can ever occur.
To get there, let's treat everyone like babies and make sure the whole city shall never move faster than 30km/h.
Hopefully soon it will be 20 km/h.
And then eventually 6km/h... walking pace.
Shoot, someone could still trip. Maybe everyone should just stay in their homes.
But, but, but Europe....
You brought this on yourselves people! Enjoy your 30km/h city.