[Bojaxs]

Why do you think those trains in the tunnel will not also be stopped at red lights for several minutes?

Perhaps they won't all hit the exact same intersection for the same duration of time, but it makes little difference if one hits the lights at Victoria Park and another at Birchmount and another at Ionview and another at Leslie and another at Pharmacy, it all averages out, just like some subway trains encounter very heavy loads and some encounter lighter loads, depending on what has been occurring above them.

I don't think you can compare a grade separated line with an "at-grade" line.

 

[A 6264]

What do they care? They'll never have to ride it. They'll fly by these trains in their luxury SUVs. They'll come and do their photoshoots and then never step foot in these trains again for years until another photoshoot/ announcement is warranted.

Rich & wealthy think their "time" is more valuable than everyone else's. Slow transit gets built in neighbourhoods where the inhabitants "time" isn't valued. The residents of NW Toronto have been deprived of rapid transit.

- "Here's your transit."

- It's slow

- "What do I care? I'll never have to ride it. Goodbye!"

Now there's something we do agree on!

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Rumour has it that some of the dignitaries at the official opening rode the Line 6 train, then got off to continue their journeys elsewhere by their limousines.or SUVs.

 

[youngblood]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1998113043591442834

 

[A 6264]

This seems perfectly reasonable if the trains on the surface were running at a consistent speed, but they won't be. Sometimes they'll be stopped at a redlight for several minutes. Does that means all trains in the tunnel will just extend their dwell times to compensate?

No, it just means that some parts of the slow/surface line run slower than others. It doesn't change the principle one bit.
I like TG3's explanation of why "bunching" occurs. It has nothing to do with other causes suggested here. (It may have been on the Eglinton thread; this discussion is straddling 2 threads at once.)

 

[T3G]

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I don't think you can compare a grade separated line with an "at-grade" line.

I can, because grade separated lines are subject to operational irregularities, just like any other form of transportation.

Look, man, I've tried to engage on this point in good faith with you. Me and quite a few others have explained why this is an overstated concern. If you don't want to believe us, that is your prerogative, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. The experience with Finch causes justifiable concern about how the 5 will be operated, but this is completely and totally focusing on the wrong thing. When you understand why bunching is not caused on the 900/927/MiWay 11/35/109 bus at the exit to the highway, despite the dramatic difference in operational speeds on the highway vs. on the city street, you'll understand the principle at play on Eglinton, too.

 

[A 6264]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1998113043591442834

Do we really need funding to fix this? Or can we just flip a switch and turn it on?

 

[Bojaxs]

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I can, because grade separated lines are subject to operational irregularities, just like any other form of transportation.

Look, man, I've tried to engage on this point in good faith with you. Me and quite a few others have explained why this is an overstated concern. If you don't want to believe us, that is your prerogative, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. The experience with Finch causes justifiable concern about how the 5 will be operated, but this is completely and totally focusing on the wrong thing. When you understand why bunching is not caused on the 900/927/MiWay 11/35/109 bus at the exit to the highway, despite the dramatic difference in operational speeds on the highway vs. on the city street, you'll understand the principle at play on Eglinton, too.

I'm no longer suggesting "bunching", but what I am suggesting is that we'll see extended dwell times at platforms. I already said this in an earlier post in the Line 5 thread.

EDIT: @eglinton1661 answered my question when he explained that Laird station was designed to allow for short turning of trains.

Anyways, I'm done. This is a Line 6 thread.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Do we really need funding to fix this? Or can we just flip a switch and turn it on?

The latter. Our traffic lights have been programed to be allowed to do this for like two decades or more? We just choose to not.

 

[dob467]

Do you have a source for this? That we should be attributing the lack of strong signal priority to the city council and mayor? (instead of Metrolinx and TTC)

I've been sifting through a lot of comments here centred on the LRT vs subway vs streetcar vs bus debate - which I'm pretty sure we've been having on this forum for close to 20 years, but I'm genuinely interested in where the holdup with turning on signal priority lies? Who's to blame here and who can actually get it running now that the line is operating?

 

[dob467]

Do you have any source for Ford wanting this to become an elevated rapid transit line? Cuz this sounds entirely made up. Construction of this line started under Ford’s government.

The contracts were signed and sealed under Wynne.

 

[Fred.S]

Do we really need funding to fix this? Or can we just flip a switch and turn it on?

It really just needs city council and the TTC board (which is mainly controlled by councillors) to direct Transportation Services and the TTC to activate signal priority. Assuming the traffic signal controllers are capable and proper vehicle detection is in place (I would hope so for a brand new line), then it's just a matter of reprogramming the intersections. Maybe there's a staff report in there that outlines the benefits and drawbacks which council would have to consider, but it really comes down to them deciding whether the LRT is more important, or whether the flow of cars is more important.

If there are any costs, it hopefully wouldn't be infrastructure, but possibly for contractors to reprogram all the signals. But signal adjustment are a normal operational requirement, so I would think it can just be activated over a Saturday night. But again, it mostly comes down to councillors just directing staff to do it.

 

[KhalilHeron]

I've been sifting through a lot of comments here centred on the LRT vs subway vs streetcar vs bus debate - which I'm pretty sure we've been having on this forum for close to 20 years, but I'm genuinely interested in where the holdup with turning on signal priority lies? Who's to blame here and who can actually get it running now that the line is operating?

Council decided not to enable full signal priority years ago. Last year a motion was brought to council to look at enabling it again and they were supposed to get a report beck a few months ago but it's been radio silence. City council also has the power to enable better transit signal priority on several bus corridors and on eglinton.

 

[hw621]

Do we really need funding to fix this? Or can we just flip a switch and turn it on?

Need funding to pay the (union) staff to flip an extra switch, and drive more attentively (due to the faster speed) lol

 

[smallspy]

I've been sifting through a lot of comments here centred on the LRT vs subway vs streetcar vs bus debate - which I'm pretty sure we've been having on this forum for close to 20 years, but I'm genuinely interested in where the holdup with turning on signal priority lies? Who's to blame here and who can actually get it running now that the line is operating?

City Traffic Services.

Dan