Obsidian
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Creep down you mean
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panzervor
New Member
Well this is a problem for TTC and Metrolinx to figure out then, they need to integrate TTC into the RSD or any other testing and training. Otherwise every future transit project will need to start with this “ramp up” period.
Towered
Superstar
When have times ever sped up on a TTC route?
ARG1
Senior Member
There are a bunch of off street segments whether in tunnels, viaducts, or just running the line off to the side like this:
This is the problem with doing direct comparisons with "Light Rail" systems. Each line is so different whilst running in different environments that direct comparisons are rarely helpful.
crs1026
Superstar
I was busy on a different train yesterday, so today was my first ride on Line 6.
I brought my stopwatch, and kept track of the time we spent stationary waiting for traffic lights. I counted only the time when the vehicle was totally stationary, and did not include the considerable “creep” time that was wasted when the vehicle coasted towards a red light. Nor did I count the “creep” time attributable to stopping for a light, then having to proceed at slow speed to make a stop at a farside platform.
i departed Humber College at 12:12, and arrived at Finch West at 13:04 - a 52 minute trip.
The total time spent sitting still waiting for traffic lights was 11:29.
In my view this is simply unacceptabe. Even applying TPS to half the intersections would significantly improve trip time. And when one considers how much slow-speed running is caused by operators coasting towards lights, or moving slowly towards platforms (it appeared that in most cases, even with green signals, operators braked ahead of intersections and then crept across them slowly into the farside platforms) - there is a great deal of additional speed that can be attained.
For that matter, trams wait 6-8 seconds after doors close before starting to move. Eliminate thise pauses, and a minute is shaved across the entire trip.
My performance standard for LRT is simple: the same as a subway. The doors shut, the vehicle immediately accelerates at full power until track speed is reached, the vehicle runs at track speed until making a single fairly firm deceleration (the kind that makes standees grab the handrail) and stops at the next platform.
By that standard, in today’s state Line 6 wasn’t worth the money.
- Paul
Ps -- the turnouts and curve at Humber is signed for 10 km/hr - and we crawled around them and on the curves to Mount Olive
I brought my stopwatch, and kept track of the time we spent stationary waiting for traffic lights. I counted only the time when the vehicle was totally stationary, and did not include the considerable “creep” time that was wasted when the vehicle coasted towards a red light. Nor did I count the “creep” time attributable to stopping for a light, then having to proceed at slow speed to make a stop at a farside platform.
i departed Humber College at 12:12, and arrived at Finch West at 13:04 - a 52 minute trip.
The total time spent sitting still waiting for traffic lights was 11:29.
In my view this is simply unacceptabe. Even applying TPS to half the intersections would significantly improve trip time. And when one considers how much slow-speed running is caused by operators coasting towards lights, or moving slowly towards platforms (it appeared that in most cases, even with green signals, operators braked ahead of intersections and then crept across them slowly into the farside platforms) - there is a great deal of additional speed that can be attained.
For that matter, trams wait 6-8 seconds after doors close before starting to move. Eliminate thise pauses, and a minute is shaved across the entire trip.
My performance standard for LRT is simple: the same as a subway. The doors shut, the vehicle immediately accelerates at full power until track speed is reached, the vehicle runs at track speed until making a single fairly firm deceleration (the kind that makes standees grab the handrail) and stops at the next platform.
By that standard, in today’s state Line 6 wasn’t worth the money.
- Paul
Ps -- the turnouts and curve at Humber is signed for 10 km/hr - and we crawled around them and on the curves to Mount Olive
GameOnBrad
Active Member
KhalilHeron
Active Member
After Ottawa i am very confident every transit project in this province and likely also Quebec will start with a ramp-up period like this. On new lines at the very least.
A 6264
Active Member
Sorry, but... Are we supposed to count how many atatements in that video are factually incorrect?
unrealestate
Active Member
It makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills trying to rationalize how transit is built and run in Toronto. Years and billions spent only to have TTC neuter the line with insanely slow operations. Like WTAF are we doing?
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Yes, yes, but just think of all the capacity we're gaining.
Stretch your legs out and enjoy the ride. Why are you in such a rush? Take life slow. Just as Toronto transit planners intended for us.
A 6264
Active Member
You are probably being sarcastic, but I think you're right. Officials now seem to be saying the line was not built for speed, but for comfort. In that case, they were probably lucky to have opening ceremonies during a snowstorm!Yes, yes, but just think of all the capacity we're gaining.
Stretch your legs out and enjoy the ride. Why are you in such a rush? Take life slow. Just as Toronto transit planners intended for us.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Ok so I rode this line
Good
-it's very nicely designed, simple and easy to get to
-very clean (for now)
-full of transit nerds midday
Bad
-it.is.slow. It moves at barely 20 km/h per hour, which is slower than walking from stop to stop
-feels like the supplement bus is doing a lot of the lifting
-hedways are too long. It's cold. It should be close the to downtown streetcars
This line needs transit priority asap, otherwise I think it is ok. But people are going to turn against LRT if they don't speed it up...
Good
-it's very nicely designed, simple and easy to get to
-very clean (for now)
-full of transit nerds midday
Bad
-it.is.slow. It moves at barely 20 km/h per hour, which is slower than walking from stop to stop
-feels like the supplement bus is doing a lot of the lifting
-hedways are too long. It's cold. It should be close the to downtown streetcars
This line needs transit priority asap, otherwise I think it is ok. But people are going to turn against LRT if they don't speed it up...
Bojaxs
Senior Member
They don't care. They'll never have to ride it. They'll fly by these trains in their luxury SUVs. They'll come and do their photoshoots and then never step foot in these trains again for years until another photoshoot/ announcement is warranted.
Rich & wealthy think their "time" is more valuable than everyone else's. Slow transit gets built in neighbourhoods where the inhabitants "time" isn't valued. The residents of NW Toronto have been deprived of rapid transit.
- "Here's your transit."
- It's slow
- "What do I care? I'll never have to ride it. Goodbye!"
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goreckm
Active Member
This seems perfectly reasonable if the trains on the surface were running at a consistent speed, but they won't be. Sometimes they'll be stopped at a redlight for several minutes. Does that means all trains in the tunnel will just extend their dwell times to compensate?
T3G
Senior Member
Why do you think those trains in the tunnel will not also be stopped at red lights for several minutes?
Perhaps they won't all hit the exact same intersection for the same duration of time, but it makes little difference if one hits the lights at Victoria Park and another at Birchmount and another at Ionview and another at Leslie and another at Pharmacy, it all averages out, just like some subway trains encounter very heavy loads and some encounter lighter loads, depending on what has been occurring above them.