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I mean, there's no reason why it couldn't be forever. See also: the City of Edmonton and the Government of Canada. And if the work was getting done (which I think is safe to say it was, since the GOA did not cite productivity in their press release, which would have been low hanging fruit and an easy punching bag), and the policy was in place for multiple years, would it not have been a waste of taxpayer dollars to spend millions of dollars annually to lease/maintain surplus office space in the off-chance that the policy gets changed? I personally would have thought that when we're in a deficit, taxpayers would want government to reduce its own operating costs where possible, in order to protect spending for priority areas like education and healthcare.

They could have easily made this decision years ago, or at least provided quiet instructions to stop implementing that workspace policy pending further decision, instead of making a sudden and haphazard policy reversal.
Actually there is an important reason, employers (not just government, but also private sector) do not really want it. They were forced into it by circumstances for a period of time.

Return to office is not some ploy by employers to revitalize our downtown, they have other reasons which I realize employees do not fully understand or appreciate.
 
Actually there is an important reason, employers (not just government, but also private sector) do not really want it. They were forced into it by circumstances for a period of time.

Return to office is not some ploy by employers to revitalize our downtown, they have other reasons which I realize employees do not fully understand or appreciate.
You're missing my points. I am not saying this decision is good or bad - I've made my personal views clear enough in the past. I'm literally just saying some facts; you're the one who's making this some values-based debate.

1. Temporary or not, the politicians were pushing for space reductions to reduce operating and capital costs. This means that there will now be a corresponding increase in costs as new leases are signed, spaces are fitted out, and upkeep is performed over the coming years. It also means that leases that were going to be ended will now have to be retained, and the associated costs retained as well. A lot of people wrongly believe that government already has this space and has been sitting on it, when in fact ministries are now scrambling to find room for people. That's not an opinion on the merits of this decision, it's a fact.

2. Similarly, it's a fact that this decision could have been implemented better. Four months simply is not enough time to retrofit existing workspaces, and lease/fit-out new spaces. Since everyone learned about this today, that also means the work on implementing it is also starting today. Again, that is not am opinion on the merits of if the policy should happen; it's literally just a fact about how it's being executed.

3. I never said that this is definitively a "ploy" to help downtown. I said that it might the reason, since they didn't actually provide a reason beyond "others are doing this too and we thought hybrid would be temporary," it's hard to believe they would choose not to cite lower productivity trends if they had that data, considering they tolerated hybrid work for five years (especially with how they were so quick to put all the blame on AHS for the procurement scandal), and Ontario's own Premier said he made the decision in order to support downtown businesses, because "There's hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren't seeing the flow of traffic." And you know which government Alberta cited in its press release? Ontario. Just sayin'.

So, just to summarize:

1. I mentioned the costs to help people develop an informed opinion; whether that they think it is worth the money, or not.

2. I mentioned the realities of the four-month time frame, which again are just facts - not judgments on the policy intent.

3. I speculated on the potential reasons based on the reason given for a similar policy change by a Premier who is very similar to ours ideologically. And again, that was not to deride the policy, but instead just to get people thinking about the pros and cons for themselves.
 
The decisions made in the past are now sunk costs whether good or bad, although I sense we both may agree they weren't as well thought out as they should have been.

They were perhaps made with the view work from home was going to be the new normal. For whatever reasons, many employers (not just governments) have concluded what may have been necessary in the short term does not necessarily work well for them in the long run. Everyone has values or interests here. Obviously some employees value the convenience of being able to work form home and would prefer that to continue.

However, I realize we are talking in generalities here and situations may be different. In some cases it may be as simple as returning to existing space, in other cases leases have ended or modifications have been made to the space since. Will the expected productivity gain of closer collaboration offset these costs? They may, but that also might depend on the type of work being done and how people work as a team.
 
Well arguing against return to workplace is a moot point. If government or private business want it then so be it. Personally I don't mind if it gets busier downtown if/when return to offices happen. maybe we'll start seeing a few more businesses situating in the downtown core again.
 
Well arguing against return to workplace is a moot point. If government or private business want it then so be it. Personally I don't mind if it gets busier downtown if/when return to offices happen. maybe we'll start seeing a few more businesses situating in the downtown core again.

It certainly would increase the parking demand, the value of parking lots, and probably increase parking rates, too - especially with parking getting removed along 106 -108 streets.

Would boost transit use some as well.
 
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Well arguing against return to workplace is a moot point.
And as I said a few times now, I'm not. Ultimately, taxpayers are the ones footing the bill, so I'm just making sure people know the facts.

Mentioning the costs =/= arguing against the policy; just like stating the cost of constructing a building, or pointing out how the project management could be improved, doesn't mean one is arguing against said building.
 
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Oh this seems interesting.
 
It certainly would increase the parking demand, the value of parking lots, and probably increase parking rates, too - especially with parking getting removed along 106 -108 streets.

Would boost transit use some as well.
These lots represented a truly trivial portion of downtown's parking inventory, and these lots were not heavily used even before COVID came along.
 
What do we think COE will do with hybrid? Will they feel pressure to call people back to the office? If so, how does that jive with their desire to sell chancery and century place, as surely not everyone could fit in Edmonton tower
 
Well arguing against return to workplace is a moot point. If government or private business want it then so be it. Personally I don't mind if it gets busier downtown if/when return to offices happen. maybe we'll start seeing a few more businesses situating in the downtown core again.
Arguing for return to office is also moot. Remote work was becoming more and more of a thing even before COVID came along and that trend and capability isn't something that's going away just because we're pretending the pandemic isn't still going strong. I had an employer start offering WFH all of the way back in 2008 and they were a pretty crappy, regressive place to work that didn't care much about worker happiness. My other half's studio was founded as WFH back in 2015. I've been WFH since 2018, which enabled me to actually remain in Edmonton. I've known folks who mostly or semi-regularly worked from home going back to the dawn of high speed internet.

It's something that planning our cities for the future is going to have to account for.
 

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