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Employees had stronger bargaining for much of the 2010s and early post covid days. I suspect we are seeing a real shift that could last a decade or longer as the economy is still uncertain, unemployment is high, new grads can’t find entry level work with AI, tech has massively pulled back hiring, and governments are squeezed by inflation pressures.

The negotiating power has shifted.
 
I think there are two elephants in the room when it comes to WFH.

Firstly - and I think Vancouver is recognizing and responding to this - I am seeing increasing numbers of international firms no longer considering Canada for projects or for offices because productivity is too low and it simply takes longer to get things done here than in some of the other options available to them. We forget that if it’s not directly related to physical resources, what happens here can take place anywhere.

That brings me to my second point. If the work can be done remotely from a condo downtown or from a sfh in Windermere, why can’t it be done from Red Deer or Fort McMurray. Or Saskatoon or Winnipeg. Or Toronto or Halifax. Or São Paulo or Manila or Mumbai? And once that happens we will not be able to compete for those jobs. Once we stop adding value to the overall relationships for both the employer and the employee, we will be hollowing out our cities, not just our downtowns.
 
Confirmed: no more hybrid for GoA, five days in office return Feb 1st, 2026.
And remember, this will cost tens of millions of dollars over the coming years, between the extra leases, maintenance, and fit-up/renewal. If it's for productivity, I'm all for it. But if it's for downtown, then we should call it what it is: a subsidy for businesses. That's not a judgement call; I'm not saying it is a good or bad thing. But in our era of limit dollars, where the government is saying that they don't have the money to meet teachers' requests, we need to accept that this is likely a policy choice to spend more money to support businesses and real-estate companies, just like why Doug Ford said Ontario is doing this.
 
And remember, this will cost tens of millions of dollars over the coming years, between the extra leases, maintenance, and fit-up/renewal. If it's for productivity, I'm all for it. But if it's for downtown, then we should call it what it is: a subsidy for businesses. That's not a judgement call; I'm not saying it is a good or bad thing. But in our era of limit dollars, where the government is saying that they don't have the money to meet teachers' requests, we need to accept that this is likely a policy choice to spend more money to support businesses and real-estate companies, just like why Doug Ford said Ontario is doing this.
I think there is a third option, using this as an indirect tool to shrink the GoA workforce. They are hoping for a significant portion of workers to quit. The fact it will be the most competent/qualified staff doesn't matter to UCP leadership because they truly don't believe that anyone who works a government job is anything other than a parasite.
 
I think there is a third option, using this as an indirect tool to shrink the GoA workforce. They are hoping for a significant portion of workers to quit. The fact it will be the most competent/qualified staff doesn't matter to UCP leadership because they truly don't believe that anyone who works a government job is anything other than a parasite.
I'm sure that's part of it, but it wouldn't be enough. For example, almost everyone in Tech and Innovation is completely virtual 5x per week, so they'll have to be put somewhere.
 
And remember, this will cost tens of millions of dollars over the coming years, between the extra leases, maintenance, and fit-up/renewal. If it's for productivity, I'm all for it. But if it's for downtown, then we should call it what it is: a subsidy for businesses. That's not a judgement call; I'm not saying it is a good or bad thing. But in our era of limit dollars, where the government is saying that they don't have the money to meet teachers' requests, we need to accept that this is likely a policy choice to spend more money to support businesses and real-estate companies, just like why Doug Ford said Ontario is doing this.
Why will they need more money for extra leases? I don't think the number of government employees here has really expanded that much over the last few years.

It will be mostly just returning to the already existing leased office space which they are already still paying for and maintaining.
 
Why will they need more money for extra leases? I don't think the number of government employees here has really expanded that much over the last few years.

It will be mostly just returning to the already existing leased office space which they are already still paying for and maintaining.
They've spent the last four years renovating offices to make workspaces smaller and only have as many as are needed to accomodate the average number of people working in-person on a given day - not the total number of people who technically work in said building. This has allowed the GOA to get out of a lot of leases, with an objective of eventually not having to lease any buildings (with some exceptions). Keep in mind that each lease costs per office range from hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars annually, and each office requires periodic renewal work that can cost tens of millions of dollars. So, the fewer leases on the books, and fewer offices needing renewal, saves taxpayers quite a bit. There are a large number of ministries that quite literally don't have enough workspaces for everyone, and will either need to renovate their offices to convert some common areas into workspaces, or enter new leases to fill the gap.
 
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Well if the government wants people back to offices, then so be it.
Yep. Like I said, not saying it's an illegitimate decision or something, just making sure people are aware of the financial cost. Budgets have finite dollars, after all.
 
They've spent the last four years renovating offices to make workspaces smaller and only have as many as are needed to accomodate the average number of people working in-person on a given day - not the total number of people who technically work in said building. This has allowed the GOA to get out of a lot of leases, with an objective of eventually not having to lease any buildings (with some exceptions). Keep in mind that each lease costs per office range from hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars annually, and each office requires periodic renewal work that can cost tens of millions of dollars. So, the fewer leases on the books, and fewer offices needing renewal, saves taxpayers quite a bit. There are a large number of ministries that quite literally don't have enough workspaces for everyone, and will either need to renovate their offices to convert some common areas into workspaces, or enter new leases to fill the gap.
Perhaps more bad government decisions over the last four years then, the "new normal" wasn't forever after all. Kind of like people who bought homes in remote places and then had to go back to work in the office.

However, with the vacancy rate in downtown Edmonton they might actually be able to get a new lease at a better rate than the one before.
 
I think there are two elephants in the room when it comes to WFH.

Firstly - and I think Vancouver is recognizing and responding to this - I am seeing increasing numbers of international firms no longer considering Canada for projects or for offices because productivity is too low and it simply takes longer to get things done here than in some of the other options available to them. We forget that if it’s not directly related to physical resources, what happens here can take place anywhere.

That brings me to my second point. If the work can be done remotely from a condo downtown or from a sfh in Windermere, why can’t it be done from Red Deer or Fort McMurray. Or Saskatoon or Winnipeg. Or Toronto or Halifax. Or São Paulo or Manila or Mumbai? And once that happens we will not be able to compete for those jobs. Once we stop adding value to the overall relationships for both the employer and the employee, we will be hollowing out our cities, not just our downtowns.
On the first one, I think it's an empirical question whether WFH or hybrid policies make organizations less or more productive, taking into account the benefits of being able to recruit and retain talented people. I'm sure you could find evidence either way, depending on the situation, but it's certainly not a categorical "WFH/hybrid is bad" situation.

I think the second point is clearly exaggerated. A lot of these workers are hybrid—they have to come in often enough that they're not going to live in Saskatoon, let alone Mumbai given the time zone difference. And if anything this factor would probably benefit Edmonton. During the pandemic, a lot of people moved from New York (expensive, not much space) to places where they could buy a house and live more comfortably. I wouldn't be surprised if Edmonton scooped up a fair number of people with jobs in Toronto.
 
Perhaps more bad government decisions over the last four years then, the "new normal" wasn't forever after all. Kind of like people who bought homes in remote places and then had to go back to work in the office.

However, with the vacancy rate in downtown Edmonton they might actually be able to get a new lease at a better rate than the one before.
I mean, there's no reason why it couldn't be forever. See also: the City of Edmonton and the Government of Canada. And if the work was getting done (which I think is safe to say it was, since the GOA did not cite productivity in their press release, which would have been low hanging fruit and an easy punching bag), and the policy was in place for multiple years, would it not have been a waste of taxpayer dollars to spend millions of dollars annually to lease/maintain surplus office space in the off-chance that the policy gets changed? I personally would have thought that when we're in a deficit, taxpayers would want government to reduce its own operating costs where possible, in order to protect spending for priority areas like education and healthcare.

They could have easily made this decision years ago, or at least provided quiet instructions to stop implementing that workspace policy pending further decision, instead of making a sudden and haphazard policy reversal.
 

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