Oilguy
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They are thin right now, combo of G7 and the playoff run is taxing them to the limit.
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TAS
Senior Member
It doesn't seem like there is ever a good time for them.
IanO
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FYI - open to one and all.
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MacLac
Senior Member
Not YEG but still the same message.......
"Do YOUR job and find us a place to live......." You see, that's the problem right there in a nutshell.......
"Do YOUR job and find us a place to live......." You see, that's the problem right there in a nutshell.......
David A
Senior Member
Again not about YEG, but I saw part of this show the other day, which was very good although kind of depressing.
What I liked is they got into the complexity and nuance of the problems more. It is not just about housing, but dealing with various other issues - drugs, addictions, crime ...
Some of the homeless people did get housing, but ended up back on the street because of these other problems.
thommyjo
Senior Member
This is why housing first works for many, but isn’t a solution for all. We need something inbetween housing and prison. I think it’s mental hospitals/treatment facilities of types.
Supportive housing still gives so much freedom to someone. The more extreme versions of addiction and mental health can’t live like that. In the same way those with dementia eventually move into facilities where their movement, ability to take their own medicine, etc gets restricted and it’s overseen by medical professionals…I think we need that for many people coming off the streets.
Currently we just rotate them in and out of housing, shelters, prison, hospitals. So expensive and harmful to them and everyone else too.
Gronk!
Senior Member
I'm surprised that Wok Box is still open at their Jasper/101 St location after all this time.
Most other retailers would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.
Most other retailers would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.
IanO
Superstar
The crap that they have had to deal with over the years is nuts. I remember talking to the owner a few times and it was unreal.
channing76
New Member
That is sad and frustrating.
kylep84
New Member
The homeless addicts in the area pop in that location multiple times a day and just grab drinks out of the fridge, the amount of absolute pathetic behavior they have to deal with is unreal.
Whatup
Active Member
My wife had to go to Seoul for a business trip for a week and decided to stay in a Goshiwon, which is a low-cost accommodation similar to a capsule hotel but a little bigger. She said it is very nice, safe, clean and close to subway station. She said the subway station is clean and safe. There are loads of food options nearby. There are zero homeless drug addicted people - this is in the central district of a metro area with over 20 000 000 million people. I can only imagine what a similar accommodation in downtown Edmonton is like.
ADob
Active Member
Not crime per se, but we had brunch at Rosewood Foods on Saturday morning, then decided to meander over to the library. I hadn't actually seen the parklet between the library and the hotel so we walked by it. A group of homeless (nope, I will NOT call them unhoused or vulnerable, just nope) were sitting on the little hill and I got sworn at for daring to look in their general direction. There was garbage strewn around them as per usual, and the entrance to the library looked similar. It was shameful since this is supposed to be the heart of the city. I also wonder what the turnover rate is at the library because I sure as hell wouldn't be capable of putting up with the constant level of social disorder.
To be honest, as someone who lives downtown, I rarely ever head that way and that is the main reason. Walking by the Tim Horton's and CIBC on Jasper is running a gauntlet of the chronically angry, the mentally unstable, and the drugged, and I rarely ever go through there without wanting to move the hell away (keeping in mind that I generally quite enjoy living where I do). Empathy fatigue is a real thing and it isn't helped by being sworn at and called names.
To be honest, as someone who lives downtown, I rarely ever head that way and that is the main reason. Walking by the Tim Horton's and CIBC on Jasper is running a gauntlet of the chronically angry, the mentally unstable, and the drugged, and I rarely ever go through there without wanting to move the hell away (keeping in mind that I generally quite enjoy living where I do). Empathy fatigue is a real thing and it isn't helped by being sworn at and called names.
thommyjo
Senior Member
Similar experience yesterday using the Churchill connector.
Hard to remain compassionate to those legitimately in a bad place and seeking help when so many on the streets are bad people with bad intentions. And it might come from history of abuse, trauma, poverty which should make us careful to assume we would do better given the same start to life. And yet if we also want to reduce future generations marked by those same issues, we need to properly prosecute drug use, violence, and the crimes many of these people commit over and over again. Impacting themselves, their kids, their neighborhoods, etc.
And since many of these people can’t make those decisions for themselves, no matter how much we try to house them or give them free drugs to cope with pain, we have to have more forceful approaches for the good of them and our society.
Hard drug use is a crime.
Threatening people is a crime.
Vandalizing businesses is a crime.
Carrying many kinds of knives, pepper spray, etc are crimes.
Stealing is a crime.
If all of the above actually saw the 5-20 year sentences they deserve, our downtowns would be wonderful. Instead people are out on bail within days for all of the above.
Blame the province? Sure. But also, blame the federal liberals who did bail reformed and f-d our entire country’s downtowns this last decade.
IanO
Superstar
Walking around Downtown yesterday there was a disproportionate amount of people messed up on something, blocking LRT entrances at the Bay AGAIN, pulling garbage out of bins in multiple spots and a seriously angry group at Churchill next to the little local store/tix on the square.
It's really frustrating how low of a bar we keep and how disappointing the overall experience continues to be.
There are some bright spots for sure, but almost no visible EPS/Peace Officers and a lather, rinse, repeat it seems with most of these folks.
It's really frustrating how low of a bar we keep and how disappointing the overall experience continues to be.
There are some bright spots for sure, but almost no visible EPS/Peace Officers and a lather, rinse, repeat it seems with most of these folks.
MacLac
Senior Member
We all know the answer (solution) but are too afraid to speak it on here as arm chair advocates will come to their aid........
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