stevensontransit
Active Member
I see thanks for the clarification.
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Bojaxs
Senior Member
Seeing Keir Starmer standing in front of a Brampton Transit bus looks somewhat surreal. Even if it wasn't in Brampton.
Bureaucromancer
Active Member
Has anyone seen or heard discussion of something like a 'diagonal' Zum or express? It just struck me that you'd get a pretty coherent patch for a lot of connectivity issues with GO and the initial LRT by extending the 561 to Bramalea Terminal and merging it with the 115
zoomzoom1010
New Member
I suppose something of the sorts would work. Although, there are active plans for a Bramalea Züm in the coming years (iirc from Mayfield Road to either Bramalea GO or the Airport), so that extension wouldn’t be as necessary
ShonTron
Moderator
The 504 Chinguacousy is proposed to continue east to Bramalea GO, so it would connect to both the first phase of the LRT and GO rail and buses.
zoomzoom1010
New Member
Speaking of that, is one of the reasons it’s going to Bramalea GO supposed to coincide with the beginning of 2-way all day GO service?
ShonTron
Moderator
There is two-way all-day GO service from Bramalea now, including limited counter-peak trains. Those counter-peak trains just don’t extend beyond Bramalea.
Bureaucromancer
Active Member
That was certainly my thought in suggesting the weird 561 variant that would end up creating a single seat link between Bramalea and the other two stations... originally I was thinking that maybe the 502 should eb run east to Bramalea once the LRT opens, but even aside from overservicing Steeles, using Queen would better leverage whatever BRT infrastructure gets built.
anb
Active Member
It was in one of the Brampton Transit 5 year business plans that they were actually going to coincide the opening of the Bramalea Zum with "enhanced GO service" on the Kitchener line in 2026. It's obviously not going to be 15 mins or less yet but maybe 30 min service overall including on weekends and counter peak trains too?
Abdullah77
New Member
The Züm stop at York University has been removed. End of an era. I remember the long lines looping around the block for the 501A and 501C before the pandemic.
Wm Perkins Bull
Active Member
No, the reason it is going to Bramalea GO is because the 11/511 has an issue where in the evening, returning from Humber College it is mostly full and can't handle sufficient additional people, which can result in significant accumulations of people stuck at Bramalea GO.
Between the 11/504/511 Steeles would be running near max capacity for buses as the combined headway would be below every 3 minutes. As for a line from Downtown Brampton to Bramalea City Centre and then south on Bramalea Road to Bramalea GO, the low frequency would mean catching the 501 and transferring to the 15/115/515 would be faster.
I should note that the 515 is not coming next year, nor probably the following year, as Sylvia had to persuade Brampton City Council into not killing off all future Züm projects in the 2025 budget. For those unaware, the 10 year capital budget component included in the 2025 budget removed reference to all future Züm lines except the Chinguacousy Züm line.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Well, it's good to note that they've already awarded the contract for the engineering and design. That cost around $980K to do. I'm estimating that the cost of the roadworks to get the 515 stops constructed is going to cost anywhere from $7M-$10M just based on the published bid award for Chinguacousy Zum, and the city/construction companies having to deal with the US Tariffs and anything else they may need for construction now than before. Add Enseicom's construction of the stop shelters themselves and we're looking at another $2-$4M.
I'm also curious about how the fleet is going to play out. I know BT is set to purchase more artics, but part of me is also questioning how many of the 35 artics are going to be for conventional service, and how many are going to be for Zum service. That, and how things may look in the future when the 515 comes into play.
zoomzoom1010
New Member
I’m aware of that, I just kind of phrased what I mean a little weirdly, my bad, thank you though!
More or less, this is what I was referring to!
Definitely also makes a lot of sense!
Anyways, the service changes took place today, and from what I have seen, riders don’t seem to be adjusting well, particularly in Northwest Brampton where a significant portion of the changes took place. Which is extremely understandable it is the first day, and there are significant changes all over the system, but there seems to be tons of frustration towards the overall lack of replacement service. Hopefully, in the coming weeks, riders will better adjust to the new status quo.
zoomzoom1010
New Member
I agree. As the artic fleet continues to age (oldest batch of artics are now 13 years of age. Their peers tend to retire them after 12-15 years of service, but I understand that they plan on going the full 18, at least for now) I would assume there will be an increased demand for more Züm artics, especially given the increasing unreliability coming with age. Overall though, I would expect at least 10-15 of them for local service, long overdue for their busiest routes.
Transportfan
Senior Member
Here's some nostalgia. From 2013, four years before the subway arrived:
