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For some reason, most schedules tools show that there was the addition of a 31A McVean in the last set of service changes, I’m not entirely sure of why it wasn’t announced, if it was meant for the next board period or if it actually operates. It seems like the routing is similar to the old 31 McVean (before it was gridlined to McVean), servicing Castlemore Rd and Goreway Dr.

Its frequency is apparently 65 minutes, from about 5:30 am to 9pm on weekdays, 8:30 am to 7:30 on Saturdays, and 9:30 am to 6 pm on Sundays
Okay, after contacting Brampton Transit, they said this route, route 31A McVean is not yet in service, guessing they meant to add it for the next board period.
As posted elsewhere - NFI’s New Flyer secures order from Brampton Transit for additional 55 buses

New Flyer is going to be supplying:

20 XDE40's
and
35 XD60's.

No mention on whether the artics are going to be conventional or zum service, but the previous contract before it was cancelled did mention a number of artics for conventional service. Here's to hoping that this order provides some much needed relief.
I wonder how fleet numbers will change due to this massive order. Also, any idea if the 38 NovaBus order is still on the table? Assuming that this order is merely for expansion, I’m wondering what will replace the currently 20 year old novas.
 
I wonder how fleet numbers will change due to this massive order. Also, any idea if the 38 NovaBus order is still on the table? Assuming that this order is merely for expansion, I’m wondering what will replace the currently 20 year old novas.
Well, if we look at the CPTDB Wiki for Brampton Transit, they often just keep going upward in number. Their most recent fleet order from Novabus puts them at 2550-2559, so chances are these buses will be at 2660-2695. Although, that does raise questions about the gap between the fleet numbers, so we'll have to see what their plan is unless someone here knows anything.

If the NovaBus order was a part of the last order that was cancelled, it's entirely possible that this order was redone because of the rising cost of buses.
 
Their most recent fleet order from Novabus puts them at 2550-2559, so chances are these buses will be at 2660-2695. Although, that does raise questions about the gap between the fleet numbers, .....
Brampton uses a numbering scheme where the final two digits as used to denote the type of vehicle and service it is to be used for. Buses used in Zum service start at xx75, while battery electric buses start at xx50. The first two digits are used to denote the fiscal year that the buses are being ordered for.

Thus the battery electric buses being delivered for service next year will be numbered starting at 2650.

Dan
 
Brampton uses a numbering scheme where the final two digits as used to denote the type of vehicle and service it is to be used for. Buses used in Zum service start at xx75, while battery electric buses start at xx50. The first two digits are used to denote the fiscal year that the buses are being ordered for.

Thus the battery electric buses being delivered for service next year will be numbered starting at 2650.

Dan
I'm surprised I didn't catch that given just how much data and numbers I process daily. Thanks for sharing!
 
Brampton uses a numbering scheme where the final two digits as used to denote the type of vehicle and service it is to be used for. Buses used in Zum service start at xx75, while battery electric buses start at xx50. The first two digits are used to denote the fiscal year that the buses are being ordered for.

Thus the battery electric buses being delivered for service next year will be numbered starting at 2650.

Dan

You’re absolutely correct, but it’s also a bit more complicated.

The first two numbers refer to the year of assembly (though not the year they were put in service). This has been the case since the city-operated Brampton Transit was formed in 1976.

Until 2001, the last two numbers were sequential by acquisition. For example, there was bus 9028, an Orion I ordered in 1990, followed by 9129, an Orion V ordered in 1991.

That system didn’t work well in a growing fleet, so it changed with the 2002 order.

At first, Züm buses were numbered starting at XX50 in 2010 and 2011, and with the first artics in 2012, Züm artics were numbered at XX75 and up.

The sole conventional artic, bought used from London, is numbered 0839, as that was the year of assembly, following the buses in the 2008 0801-0838 Nova order.

But Brampton isn’t buying any Züm 40-footers any more, so yeah, the XX50-XX74 are reserved for the battery electric fleet these days.

It’s interesting to see that there are three numbering schemes used in less than 50 years.
 
Effective today, Route 31A McVean has entered service due to construction on Goreway. Its routing is pretty similar to the old routing of the 31, using Castlemore and Goreway, instead of McVean. Changes were also made to the 31 McVean. Here are schedules, more info, as well as a route map
https://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents/transit/service-alerts/Pages/Transit-Updates.aspx

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I would suggest that the numbers posted are probably estimates given that the total for the year has five consecutive zeros at the end, and that seems statistically improbable.
 
September 2nd service changes have been announced. They seem to be introducing some of the changes into Northwest Brampton this year to get people ready. Not a fan of the 4/4A change or the new 4C. Especially since the 28/28A’s frequency does a lousy job making up for it. They didn’t mention the 501 returning to 5 minute service here, despite doing so.
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September 2nd service changes have been announced. They seem to be introducing some of the changes into Northwest Brampton this year to get people ready. Not a fan of the 4/4A change or the new 4C. Especially since the 28/28A’s frequency does a lousy job making up for it. They didn’t mention the 501 returning to 5 minute service here, despite doing so.
I'm wondering if the 4C is what's depicted in this PIC from March of 2024. Of course, not everything in this PIC has happened, or will happen, but it may be the start of it.
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I'm wondering if the 4C is what's depicted in this PIC from March of 2024. Of course, not everything in this PIC has happened, or will happen, but it may be the start of it.
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Remembering the ASP from this year, it looks to me like the implemented some of the short, medium and long term plans, which sort of surprises me. Like take the 4 for example, the long term plan was the one that was supposed to have it extended to Clockwork Drive, or even the 28, Wanless wasn’t supposed to have full coverage restored yet. I would have love to have seen a 6 extension to really make up for the loss of the 4A but maybe that’s down the road. The 4C seems to be a compromise of keeping frequent service on both Worthington and Brisdale, especially since Route 27 as of right now hasn’t really lacklustre service
 
Like take the 4 for example, the long term plan was the one that was supposed to have it extended to Clockwork Drive, or even the 28, Wanless wasn’t supposed to have full coverage restored yet.
Part of me believes that the 28 Wanless got full coverage from the removal of the 4A, where the 28/4C had buses reallocated to them. 4C doesn't need as many, so the 28 could have consumed most of them.

I would have love to have seen a 6 extension to really make up for the loss of the 4A but maybe that’s down the road.
I think it may be in one of their long term plans where everything becomes a grid and goes north of Mayfield. With the introduction of the 4C, it appears to be the start of their N/S and E/W bus grid where they avoid making as many turns as possible, except at the start/end.

One of the things I didn't see mentioned was the removal of the 104, and I believe that removal is going to come when the 504 starts, so even more of the fleet will get freed up at some point for other route time changes.
 

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