[urbanclient]

Does anyone have any polling on how popular Alto really is among the non urbantransit posting crowd? (my suspicion is low)

The same data from Abacus led to this misleading drivel:
"Only 25 per cent of Canadians strongly support the project, and one in five remains unsure."

New Survey Highlights Weak Mandate for Costly High-Speed Rail as Concerns Grow Over Environmental Impacts and Inadequate Public Consultation Process

/CNW/ - Canadians have not granted a clear mandate for the $90 billion Alto high-speed rail project, according to a recent nationwide survey (Abacus Data,...

www.newswire.ca

Here's a weaker online poll:

High-speed rail pitch draws high levels of support and opposition: poll

A new poll suggests the proposed Alto high-speed railway is both the most-supported and the most-opposed item on the federal government’s list of major projects.

www.cp24.com

 

[Jonny5]

Does anyone have any polling on how popular Alto really is among the non urbantransit posting crowd? (my suspicion is low)

My read of it is that there's strong support in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, and Quebec City, while In rural Ontario and Quebec there's strong opposition to land expropriation, but it seems to fall in the "pay me cash and I'll shut up about it" bucket.

The west is very much at best indifferent or they are "those Laurentian Elites are stealing our tax dollars for their own pet projects that don't benefit me again!"

 

[Thaboss]

Does anyone have any polling on how popular Alto really is among the non urbantransit posting crowd? (my suspicion is low)

72 percent of the population is aware of the project.

61 per cent of respondents supported the project, while 19 per cent opposed it to some degree. The rest have no opinion.

In other words, this is a very popular project within and outside of the transit community, with high awareness around the country.

Only the cons. Leadership and suburbs along the route and mostly against it.

High-speed rail pitch draws high levels of support and opposition: poll

A new poll suggests the proposed Alto high-speed railway is both the most-supported and the most-opposed item on the federal government’s list of major projects.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[StreetcarRider]

"Farmers march on Parliament Hill to protest Alto high-speed rail project"

Farmers march on Parliament Hill to protest Alto high-speed rail project

Construction on first section of rail line could start as soon as 2029

www.theglobeandmail.com

"Has the federal government done enough to sell the Alto high-speed rail project to Canadians?"

- BNN Bloomberg

The Front Bench panel discusses the politics of a high-speed rail line between Toronto and Montreal which is sparking strong reactions across the country.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

"Map shows pattern of possible high-speed route"

Map shows pattern of possible high-speed route

The final, proposed route of the Ottawa to Montréal high-speed rail line is not to be announced until sometime in the fall of 2026, but a pattern is emerging of where it could possibly be. Based on the number of, and location of voluntary posts to an access map showing properties where Alto has...

thereview.ca

 

[zang]

"Farmers march on Parliament Hill to protest Alto high-speed rail project"

Farmers march on Parliament Hill to protest Alto high-speed rail project

Construction on first section of rail line could start as soon as 2029

www.theglobeandmail.com

Never put it past the Conservatives and PQ to cut off their noses to spite the Liberals.

 

[C_Johnson_1995]

"Canada’s first high-speed rail project dies if Quebec pulls out, Carney minister says"

https://www.thestar.com/gift-redeem?t=f63fa994-19c9-45dc-9cbb-04d9246ec07c

Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

Generalizing entire cities or countries as dystopian or permanently crowded also isn't conducive. I personally had a great time on Osaka metro, especially the cars on the Sakaisuji Line: Osaka's (and Japan's) biggest problem right now is an overload of tourists, especially in Kyoto, but also...

urbantoronto.ca

Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

This is a razor-thin margin when you consider that there has been no campaign and you only need less than a 7 point swing to get it over the line. Given the demographics, the number of federalist will continue to decline indefinitely. In the coming campaign, the Government of Quebec will...

urbantoronto.ca

You know, I've only posted about this for a while. I used to be laughed at for suggesting that this would be a problem, yet here we are. You might think it would feel good to be right, but unfortunately in this case, I wish I wasn't.

This situation makes it clearer than ever that passenger rail in this part of the country should be a provincial responsibility. Ontario should be looking out for its own interests, and giving gifts to separatists who don't even want it is not something Ontario taxpayers should be on the hook for. See the linked posts for my full thoughts.

 

[Northern Light]

"Map shows pattern of possible high-speed route"

Map shows pattern of possible high-speed route

The final, proposed route of the Ottawa to Montréal high-speed rail line is not to be announced until sometime in the fall of 2026, but a pattern is emerging of where it could possibly be. Based on the number of, and location of voluntary posts to an access map showing properties where Alto has...

thereview.ca

LOL..... I pointed this out to UT'ers awhile back. Takes a while for these things to catch on it seems.

 

[Thaboss]

You know, I've only posted about this for a while. I used to be laughed at for suggesting that this would be a problem, yet here we are. You might think it would feel good to be right, but unfortunately in this case, I wish I wasn't.

This situation makes it clearer than ever that passenger rail in this part of the country should be a provincial responsibility. Ontario should be looking out for its own interests, and giving gifts to separatists who don't even want it is not something Ontario taxpayers should be on the hook for. See the linked posts for my full thoughts.

Sorry you said this

When the next government of Quebec which is projected to be a large margin majority

They WERE projected to be a large majority ...now they are projected to possibly be a small majority or small minorty

Separatism in quebec is spectacularly unpopular right now. So much so that the PQ leader has pulled back on his, speratism rhetoric.

Right now its safe to say that the election is a tossup.. much can and will change between now and then.

If the PQ do win it will be by a 30 percent mandate, maybe even less. That is an extremely weak majority.

Alto project will outlast such a weak govt.


And no serious person believes that the feds solve the issue of QB separatism by avoiding investing in the province.

 

[Mihairokov]

> Trying to predict a Quebec election result with any amount of certainty.

C'mon guys. This isn't our first Quebec election rodeo.

 

[micheal_can]

> Trying to predict a Quebec election result with any amount of certainty.

C'mon guys. This isn't our first Quebec election rodeo.

Prior to the 51st state crap, and prior to Legeau stepping down, it would have been easy. Just like prior to Trudeau stepping down it was easy to know who was going to win federally.

 

[zang]

Prior to the 51st state crap, and prior to Legeau stepping down, it would have been easy. Just like prior to Trudeau stepping down it was easy to know who was going to win federally.

As much as I hate to say it, I think separatism has always been a bargaining chip rather than end goal. Otherwise, positions wouldn't simply change because of Trump-being-Trump. And now they're realizing Alberta has stolen their secret-sauce recipe with the intention of attempting to follow through.

 

[micheal_can]

As much as I hate to say it, I think separatism has always been a bargaining chip rather than end goal. Otherwise, positions wouldn't simply change because of Trump-being-Trump. And now they're realizing Alberta has stolen their secret-sauce recipe with the intention of attempting to follow through.

I feel about half of the ones that would vote for it see it as a bargaining chip while the other half really do think they would be better off if they were in their own country. I compare this to the desire for people in Northern ON to break off and be their own province. Much of that comes from the perceived way we are being treated. Which kind of brings up why, although I may not agree with the push back for ALTO, I understand it. Understanding why there is push back and how to mitigate it is key.

 

[EnviroTO]

The things the anti-ALTO people are saying are just so over the top. Like "it will be the end to agriculture in the area". How misinformed can people be? Has farming ended in Japan, China, and Europe? How did we all miss the news on that??

 

[cplchanb]

Im in japan now. Nothing beats a good old gold standard hsr train. Fast, extremely comfortable and reliable. Not to mention they come once ever 10min minimum. One thing that they do extremely well here is that they got signal thing right down to the T since they can speed off immediately like the subways, unlike union station where they have to crawl at 30km/h before it gets out of the USRC. Really hope that they address this soon.

 

[StreetcarRider]

Joining together the last few posts, HSR in Japan does need to be elevated over agricultural fields (adding costs) because rice fields need to flood as part of their growing cycle.

Pretty sure that our Canadian fields have no need to inundate the same way every year, meaning we can build on land, more cost-effectively than Japan, in rural areas.