source of your evidence.

Sure:


And here


by your metrics then the Sheppard line will be magnitudes more used than this extension will ever see.

No, all other things being equal, but they are not, Sheppard is a short line with less pull than Yonge, based on service shape.

Also, Sheppard was heavily VE'd and it shows with unfinished ceilings, cheap lighting and completely bare trackside walls.

Besides youre casting judgement based on a single early render, without any floorplans, detailed elevations or sections let alone any other renders post feedback from the community. If you have an issue please go to the open houses to voice them instead of prematurely complaining here

You are kidding right?

SMH
 
If you have an issue please go to the open houses to voice them instead of prematurely complaining here
Have you ever seen a project in this city where the final product at least resembled the render, if not outright looked better? Value engineering is our forte.
 
Have you ever seen a project in this city where the final product at least resembled the render, if not outright looked better? Value engineering is our forte.
Off-hand, I think most of the subway stations we've opened in the last few decades resembled the render - including on Line 1.
 
Have you ever seen a project in this city where the final product at least resembled the render, if not outright looked better? Value engineering is our forte.
What are you trying to say here, exactly? That the real thing usually does look better, or that it usually ends up looking worse?
 
What are you trying to say here, exactly? That the real thing usually does look better, or that it usually ends up looking worse?
Worse.

The renderings are like those picture perfect burgers that show up in fast foodads, that use contrast and saturation to look great, and then you look at the real product and it looks like a sloppy, incoherent mess, much like how most fast food burgers look in reality.
 

Here is a video of someone using a control stand to operate a train in a yard. I presume that the new fleet will have some kind of similar setup.
Relatedly, there was a pilot of a new automatic gangway coupler technology that was supposed to take place this year on the subway. I wonder if it'll be used for the new fleet, too.
 
Wow, those station designs look like garbage! 😍 And no PSDs either, even on a new build with ATC trains.
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Imagine how much money they could save by not releasing renders of things as they will never exist as, and then re doing the renders once they know what it will end up looking like.
 
Imagine how much money they could save by not releasing renders of things as they will never exist as, and then re doing the renders once they know what it will end up looking like.

I'm not an architect but would guess it's less a matter of "imagining" than understanding the design process and knowing how much time and effort are actually required.
I mean, it's a progressive design build so the idea is that Metrolinx takes the design to a certain point and then a proponent comes in to finish things off within the established parameters. Presumably these are essentially painted 3D images based on the Reference Concept Design, which is a fairly standard kinda thing, I think.

The render for Bridge Station, for example, shows the platofrm in relation to the tracks and the entrance above and the path to the side; that will all be in the final design and it's useful to see, IMHO. Whether the fence is white or has a different pattern or whether something shown as red ends up being blue doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Rest assured, Clark Station will have escalators and turnstiles and floor tiles, basically as shown. If they're different tiles or the light fixtures change, so what?

Even us lay people can understand how designs evolve and the value of seeing early renderings; even if you're just renovating your kitchen. And as a pure matter of PR, it shows people what work has been going on behind the scenes and that this is a real project that is actually moving forward.

I really don't see the point putting any effort into critiquing an early design concept for something we know is in progress and which won't be opening for another 10 years but I guess having stuff to kick around is also what keeps these forums going :)
 
If I'm working on a project for a client, I can't just show them "progress" and then deliver a final product that's substantially different than what I showed. It's a waste of everyone's time.
 

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