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Unpaid internships in Ontario are illegal per se. However, an unpaid internship is deemed to be legal if it falls within any one of the exceptions under the ESA at section 3(5). The first two of which are:

A secondary school student who performs work under a work experience program authorized by the school board that operates the school in which the student is enrolled
An individual who performs work under a program approved by a college of applied arts and technology or a university.
Oddly, in the trades unpaid internships AKA apprenticeships are unheard of. If you want to learn how to work for CBC News in their journalism department you'd better be prepared to work for free as an intern. But if you want to learn how to repair their camera equipment, that's a paid apprenticeship.
 
Many of the stores are going "part-time" all the way. Without benefits, like health or pension. As part-time, they are paid a lower rate than full-time.

Up to the province to make part-time the same of full-time, or end the use of part-time.
I don't think ending the existence of part time workers is a particularly helpful thought, myself.
 
I work in the construction industry, i got lots of contacts. From 2013 to about 2022 i could have gotten anyone a general labour job within a few hours. Places are always looking for help during the busy summer months. Now i don't know single company looking for workers. Skill trades yes, but not general labour jobs that typically went to students.

Tough summer job market for youth as temporary positions decline​


 
Summer jobs don't really exist anymore, and those that are left are likely being phased out by either tariffs or AI.

Went to Costco yesterday and noted how many elderly they employed - people who should definitely be at home and retired by now but continue slogging away for their hours. There's a medium ground to be found somewhere here.
 
Summer jobs don't really exist anymore, and those that are left are likely being phased out by either tariffs or AI.

Summer jobs don't exist because of LMIA. Teens do apply for jobs but employers just never look at the applications or place any calls/hold interviews because they know they want LMIA workers right off the bat because LMIA workers can be easily exploited and abused because they don't know how our labor laws work, some of those laws don't protect them, they can be entirely beholden to the employer. LMIA is modern day serfdom. Its practically slavery. Everybody is criticizing international students instead they should criticize the whole LMIA fiasco.
 
Summer jobs don't really exist anymore, and those that are left are likely being phased out by either tariffs or AI.

Went to Costco yesterday and noted how many elderly they employed - people who should definitely be at home and retired by now but continue slogging away for their hours. There's a medium ground to be found somewhere here.

I agree with the notion of retiring the folks of senior age that have the means to live out the rest of their lives in a comfortable manner. Same with scenarios in other sectors of work and industry, and allowing younger people to get a chance to enter the market or move up the ladder.

With retail jobs like Costco, hirings are often heavily influenced by referrals from current employees who have their friends, peers, inner cliques jump ahead to the front of the line. It's been that way since I got my first part time job in high school over a decade and half ago. And I'd imagine it's tougher than ever before.

As a side note, a record number of people have applied online for jobs at the CNE this year:

 
I agree with the notion of retiring the folks of senior age that have the means to live out the rest of their lives in a comfortable manner. Same with scenarios in other sectors of work and industry, and allowing younger people to get a chance to enter the market or move up the ladder.
A lot of seniors work because they have to. Besides, I'm not sure how an employer would have the ability to conduct some type of means test.
 
I agree with the notion of retiring the folks of senior age that have the means to live out the rest of their lives in a comfortable manner. Same with scenarios in other sectors of work and industry, and allowing younger people to get a chance to enter the market or move up the ladder.

With retail jobs like Costco, hirings are often heavily influenced by referrals from current employees who have their friends, peers, inner cliques jump ahead to the front of the line. It's been that way since I got my first part time job in high school over a decade and half ago. And I'd imagine it's tougher than ever before.

Costco has always been a tough place to get a job. They have better pay and benefits than their competitors. Some of those senior folks could have been there for years and are pulling in $30 plus an hour, vs the poverty wages that Walmart and Galen Weston, pays, which is why they employ mostly international students these days.
 
Summer jobs don't really exist anymore, and those that are left are likely being phased out by either tariffs or AI.

Went to Costco yesterday and noted how many elderly they employed - people who should definitely be at home and retired by now but continue slogging away for their hours. There's a medium ground to be found somewhere here.
I think Costco tends to mainly employ people well into adulthood. I think they tend to be mostly full-time. The only young people I see there are cart pushers and food service counter.

Costco manages this by employing a very low labour model. Poor customer service (long wait times, etc.), very high average ticket price/average basket size, generally overcapacity stores. I guess no one thinks about all the people who don't have jobs because they shop at a very labour-light retailer like Costco.
 
Summer jobs don't exist because of LMIA. Teens do apply for jobs but employers just never look at the applications or place any calls/hold interviews because they know they want LMIA workers right off the bat because LMIA workers can be easily exploited and abused because they don't know how our labor laws work, some of those laws don't protect them, they can be entirely beholden to the employer. LMIA is modern day serfdom. Its practically slavery. Everybody is criticizing international students instead they should criticize the whole LMIA fiasco.

That plays a role, though summer jobs, particularly for High School aged teens were on the decline long before the surge of Temporary Foreign Workers and Foreign Students.

A portion of that owes to higher HS graduation rates and grater emphasis on good enough grades to pursue post-secondary. Meaning, fewer teens are pursuing summer employment, and for a period of time, those jobs
were very difficult to fill.

You have then have different responses to that phenomenon, automation, (think ordering kiosks at fast food places or self-check-out ), various offices and the like simply phasing out summer interns (paid and unpaid), then layer on to that...

The surge in TFWs, plus moves away from lawns towards 'natural' landscapes, so fewer landscape jobs; plus, a surge in population that means there is greater competition for the jobs on offer; all with a currently faltering economy.

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Note for others, LMIA is 'Labour Market Impact Assessment' and is what is historically required of employers to demonstrated a need to import TFW labour because the jobs aren't fillable domestically.

The Trudeau government both made those easier to obtain, and also relaxed various protections resulting in downward pressure on wages.
 
A lot of seniors work because they have to. Besides, I'm not sure how an employer would have the ability to conduct some type of means test.

I concur that an employer means test to see if you should be allowed to work past 65 is likely unworkable and I'd go further and say undesirable.

Though, I certainly think for people able to retire, part of that is voluntarily making room for new generations. The alternative need not be sitting at home on your duff from the first opportunity, which isn't really desirable for most anyone, its wasted talent and knowledge and too much boredom.

However, one thing we should agree on is that people in 'consensus' retirement years should not have to work out of economic necessity. Taking away OAS from those with greater than $100,000 in household income and giving the saving back to those earning less than $60,000 would make a great deal of sense to me.

In combination with a slightly higher retirement age (and reinvesting those savings to raise the income replacement rate), we ought to be able to empower people in their late 60s and older to consider work an option not a necessity.

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We can create more places in the workforce by increasing paid vacation mandates, making parental leave more generous (Canada's 55% income replacement rate is among the lowest in the OECD, and by cracking down on overtime.)

If Ontario moved the work week from 44 hrs to 40, that would force extensive hiring in in shift work professions.
 
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When I think back to the summer/part-time jobs I had as a teen (we could still see the receding edge of the glaciers):

-pumping gas: largely non-existent now.
-driving delivery for a restaurant (as an employee - company vehicle): non-existent
- farm labour: family connection

A buddy did the MNR Junior Ranger program: no longer exists.

For cottage country/tourist area kids, I think there is still a decent collection of jobs at summer resorts, marinas, etc. There might be tighter restrictions on certain jobs, driven by insurance rules.
 
However, one thing we should agree on is that people in 'consensus' retirement years should not have to work out of economic necessity. Taking away OAS from those with greater than $100,000 in household income and giving the saving back to those earning less than $60,000 would make a great deal of sense to me.
My parents are facing retirement and they've had the privilege of earning over $150,000 in household income for the later parts of their careers.

If you took away anything from their pension, then they would be forced to abandon their mortgage, sell their property, and leave Canada in their retirement due to the high cost of living here. They are already considering it regardless because they would just be scraping by with their pension. Unlike multi-generational Canadians who inherited housing and had the ability to save wealth over a long career instead of needing to put everything into education and mortgages, retirement looks quite desperate, and is in part dependent on my ability to support them financially at some point.

I am sympathetic to people in even worse positions but this to me calls for UBC rather than taking away from other folks who planned for and around receiving $x in their retirement.

(and as a younger person, I am already assuming that the entire pension ponzi scheme will collapse long before I am ever see a penny of it, though I am certain I will spend the majority of my career paying for other people's pensions regardless...)
 

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