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Perhaps not scouring the subcontinent for cheap and/or TFW labour might have helped Canada's youth find those summer jobs.
You seem to have an obsession with cheap labour from the "subcontinent." For the most part, these are hardworking new Canadians who are only trying to build their lives and raise their families. In the long run, we'll all benefit from their presence here
 
You seem to have an obsession with cheap labour from the "subcontinent." For the most part, these are hardworking new Canadians who are only trying to build their lives and raise their families. In the long run, we'll all benefit from their presence here
New Canadians, like I once was, from any origin are fine in my book, FWIW. The issue is our government bringing waves of international students and temporary foreign workers to fill the service and unskilled labour jobs that were often done by our young adults. Myself, as a PR non-Canadian in the 1980s and 1990s I worked in fast food, retail merchandising, landscaping and manufacturing to save for university - these jobs are now largely filled by TFWs and student visa holders. We must not conflate "new Canadians" of any origin trying to build their lives and raise their families with people here on temporary work or study visas. The Toronto Star explained how we got here better than I can. "Many factors — are at play with one of the largest being the federal government’s 2022 decision to deregulate the low-wage stream of the temporary foreign worker program."

Paywall free: https://archive.is/MYWCp

IDK why Ottawa focused on the Indian subcontinent as a source. Interestingly, earlier this year, then Immigration Minister Mark Miller, told Canada's universities earlier this year to diversify away from India.

 
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If you're talking about part-time jobs traditionally held by "teens" specifically (I'll include up to 20 years-old) , my nephew got a job at Metro as a back-room inventory receiver and a shelf-stocker about two years ago when he was 17.

There were immediate problems with the scheduling. The next week's hours would only be posted on Saturday night for the following week, and they would be erratic. Some weeks he would get 35 hours of work, some weeks he would get 10. The start times varied, the days of the week varied, and it was really difficult for him to plan any part of his life as the job was so unpredictable.

Then after being there for a year, they laid off about 10% of the staff and he was one of them. He kind of gave up on bothering with having a job then and refocused on school.

I have heard scheduling is the same nightmare in the retail clothing and fast-food sectors too, another traditional place for teen jobs.
 
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You seem to have an obsession with cheap labour from the "subcontinent." For the most part, these are hardworking new Canadians who are only trying to build their lives and raise their families. In the long run, we'll all benefit from their presence here

I want to reinforce @Admiral Beez here........

Canada has gone from having a recent (last 2 decades average) of 3% temporary workers in Canada to ~7%

That is absurdly high.

A great deal of this is the result of the low-wage stream, specifically seeking to fill jobs at Tim Horton's et al. with workers who will accept inordinately low wages and whose function is really to suppress wages in the economy more broadly.

That is NOT the fault of these workers, who we permitted to come, facilitated the arrival of, and whose employers we allowed to exploit them, but that is the reality of the situation nonetheless.

I don't think the majority of these jobs would be filled by teens these days, as the secular trend is away from that as there is greater focus on education.

That said, it certainly does suppress domestic employment (encourage higher unemployment) which is evidenced by a nearly 7% unemployment rate in Ontario, a multi-year high.

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I would add, most of these jobs are not being filled by 'new Canadians' they are being filled by Temporary Residents. who will be required to return to their native land at some point, or will remain here illegally.

That's unfortunate for them and for society writ large.
 
I want to reinforce @Admiral Beez here........

Canada has gone from having a recent (last 2 decades average) of 3% temporary workers in Canada to ~7%
I don't deny that the TFW and student visa programs have been abused in recent years. But Trudeau only loosened up the rules in 2022, and Admiral Beez's problems with accented foreigners in service jobs long predate that.
 
I don't deny that the TFW and student visa programs have been abused in recent years. But Trudeau only loosened up the rules in 2022, and Admiral Beez's problems with accented foreigners in service jobs long predate that.

Lets set aside any analysis of The Admirals views over time.

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The number of temporary workers in Canada has been on a steady rise since long before 2022, though it certainly does correlate w/the Trudeau years.

This chart takes us only to 2022:

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Source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2023010/article/00003-eng.htm

Look at the orange line with some interest........that one has grown markedly since 2010, through the Harper years as well.

The grey (students) almost quadrupled from the 2015 low to 2021 (and grew more in the 2 years that followed)

This chart reflects 2022 and 2023:

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Taken together, we can see this issue begins to emerge as early as 15 years ago, but picks up steam in in earnest post-2015, before going completely bonkers in 2022 and 2023.
 
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Admiral Beez's problems with accented foreigners in service jobs long predate that.
Sigh, no one, including me cares if you have an accent, as long as you’re easily understood (and only if necessary) at work. You should have heard me when I arrived as a little Cockney lad in the 1970s, and my late mother, once on the tear was nearly incomprehensible to anyone unfamiliar with the accent of London’s east end, as accurately portrayed in Call the Midwife. Mind, as she worked at McDonalds she would switch to Canadian Standard English when speaking to the customers. Now, let’s get back on topic.
 
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I want to reinforce @Admiral Beez here........

Canada has gone from having a recent (last 2 decades average) of 3% temporary workers in Canada to ~7%

That is absurdly high.

A great deal of this is the result of the low-wage stream, specifically seeking to fill jobs at Tim Horton's et al. with workers who will accept inordinately low wages and whose function is really to suppress wages in the economy more broadly.

That is NOT the fault of these workers, who we permitted to come, facilitated the arrival of, and whose employers we allowed to exploit them, but that is the reality of the situation nonetheless.

I don't think the majority of these jobs would be filled by teens these days, as the secular trend is away from that as there is greater focus on education.

That said, it certainly does suppress domestic employment (encourage higher unemployment) which is evidenced by a nearly 7% unemployment rate in Ontario, a multi-year high.

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I would add, most of these jobs are not being filled by 'new Canadians' they are being filled by Temporary Residents. who will be required to return to their native land at some point, or will remain here illegally.

That's unfortunate for them and for society writ large.
It's really a form of indentured servitude, as many are here, working these jobs, in hopes of being able to apply for PR.
 
Sigh, no one, including me cares if you have an accent, as long as you’re easily understood (and only if necessary) at work. You should have heard me when I arrived as a little Cockney lad in the 1970s, and my late mother, once on the tear was nearly incomprehensible to anyone unfamiliar with the accent of London’s east end, as accurately portrayed in Call the Midwife. Mind, as she worked at McDonalds she would switch to Canadian Standard English when speaking to the customers. Now, let’s get back on topic.
I once spent a week in Scotland and could hardly understand anything the locals said.
 
Unpaid internships in Ontario are illegal per se. However, an unpaid internship is deemed to be legal if it falls within any one of the exceptions under the ESA at section 3(5). The first two of which are:


  1. A secondary school student who performs work under a work experience program authorized by the school board that operates the school in which the student is enrolled.
  2. An individual who performs work under a program approved by a college of applied arts and technology or a university.



High school students need at least 40 hours of community involvement activities (volunteering) to get their high school diploma. Another form of unpaid work?
 
My former partner's 16 year old daughter has found herself a bit of a niche by selling her art online through IG, which is good for her since she's autistic and unlikely to ever be able to get a "real" job, but I'm pretty sure it won't be enough to support her in adulthood.

The 15 year old son lacks the will or drive to get a job entirely, and he's not creative like his sister either. It's rather worrisome.
 
My former partner's 16 year old daughter has found herself a bit of a niche by selling her art online through IG, which is good for her since she's autistic and unlikely to ever be able to get a "real" job, but I'm pretty sure it won't be enough to support her in adulthood.
If you started working at a grocery store in the 80s/90s you could make a "living" out of it. Nowadays it's mostly impossible to work at stores like these and do things like buy a house, buy a car, and support yourself on your own. These are no longer "career" positions. Part of this is a natural circumstance of capitalism and its solution was finding people who were willing to work for less. Once we ran out of echo boomer kids we pressed hard into TFWs. We had to, because the businesses don't want to pay living wages.

Even if we were to remove, say, 30% of the "TFWs" that people assume populate our convenience stores and grocery stores, who are we going to replace them with? There aren't enough teens to replace them.

As always, TFWs will get the brunt of the blame, but really it's the corporations who are to blame for cheaping out and prioritizing profits over employee welfare. They'd rather close stores than pay people more, hence where we're at.

The difference between today's new Canadians and Admiral forty years ago is that Admiral wouldn't have "visually" been a foreigner, they would have looked like every other Canadian at the time, but today's new Canadians are visually not "Canadian" ethnically, in the eyes of many, and so they become an easy target when they're filling our stores during a downturn. This is happening elsewhere, too, like in Japan where visually not-Japanese people are working at their convenience stores, because they don't have the youth to fill these low-paying jobs and refuse to raise wages. It's the logical endpoint in declining capitalist countries to exploit entry-level workers.
The 15 year old son lacks the will or drive to get a job entirely, and he's not creative like his sister either. It's rather worrisome.
Again, I don't blame him. Most workplaces don't provide enough of a living wage to generate any sort of interest in working there. If you're never going to be able to buy a house or save up any money then what's the point of contributing?

Anecdotally, I graduated high school and entered university during the 2008 recession, and so I spent the first two years of my post-secondary working at a convenience store which had been recently purchased by a new Canadian family from South Korea. Had they not purchased it the store would not have been open for me to work in, and had they been as discriminatory towards me as Canadians today are to new Canadians they would not have hired me in the first place. Hindsight is 20/20, but new Canadians (TFWs, sic) are providing employment throughout this country, and shouldn't be disregarded as an important part of our economy, especially because our corporate overlords don't care about us and only care about their bottom lines.
 
Many of the stores are going "part-time" all the way. Without benefits, like health or pension. As part-time, they are paid a lower rate than full-time.

Up to the province to make part-time the same of full-time, or end the use of part-time.
 
" For the most part, these are hardworking new Canadians who are only trying to build their lives and raise their families. In the long run, we'll all benefit from their presence here

Only benefits the rich corporations like Tim Hortons and Walmart. Driving down wages, benefits, taking jobs from youth and unemployed doesn't help any working class Canadian citizen or even non working class Canadian citizen.
 
... as long as you’re easily understood (and only if necessary) at work...
Being able to converse has become less important. I always order from my phone or from the kiosk screen -- not just because I'm unsociable, but more to ensure I will get what I order. When the order is there visually it's much less likely to get confused, misunderstood, or forgotten, for example getting a hot coffee after I've said ice coffee.
... my late mother, once on the tear was nearly incomprehensible to anyone unfamiliar with the accent of London’s east end...
Some of that sounds familiar. As a young kid, I didn't understand why my mother thought "car key" was a colour. She would take me to buy a winter coat and ask if I wanted the blue one or the "car key" one. She just got angry if I said something about it. It wasn't until a couple of years later after I had learned to read that I finally realized she was saying "khaki". I brought this up much later at Christmas once when she was in her 80s, and she still got annoyed -- "caw-kee, not caw-kee !" 😄
 
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