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DirectionNorth said:
Service changes. Improvements on a few routes, but a large percentage of a small number is still a small number:

RouteChangeOld/New
7 Martin GroveSaturday morning: +58% 79 min. -> 50 min.
7 Martin GroveSaturday afternoon: +58% 79 min. -> 50 min.
7 Martin GroveSaturday evening: +58%71 min. -> 45 min.
7 Martin GroveSunday morning: +58% 79 min. -> 50 min.
7 Martin GroveSunday afternoon: +58% 79 min. -> 50 min.
7 Martin GroveSunday evening: +58% 79 min. -> 50 min.
25 Major MackenzieSaturday morning: +18% 66 min. -> 56 min.
25 Major MackenzieSaturday afternoon: +22%71 min. -> 58 min.
25 Major MackenzieSaturday evening: -12% 60 min. -> 68 min.
85 Rutherfordroutingroute will enter Vaughan Mills terminal using Jane St
86 Newkirk-Red Mapleweekday AM Peak: -14%25 min. -> 29 min.
86 Newkirk-Red Mapleweekday midday/PM Peak: I'm not calculating thatYRT irregular schedules get more irregular
86 Newkirk-Red Mapleweekday evenings: -7%38 min. -> 41 min.
90 Leslieweekday AM Peak: +8%14 min. -> 13 min.
90 LeslieSaturday morning: I'm not calculating thatYRT irregular schedules stay irregular
90 LeslieSaturday afternoon: +28%41 min. -> 32 min.
90 LeslieSaturday evening: +41%45 min. -> 32 min.
90 LeslieSunday morning: -2%41 min. -> 42 min.
90 LeslieSunday afternoon: -9%41 min. -> 45 min.
90 LeslieSunday evening: -2%41 min. -> 42 min.
90 LeslieSunday nights: +3% 40 min. -> 39 min.
107B Keeleweekday PM Peak: +33% 24 min. -> ~18 min.
165 Westonweekday PM Peakincreased frequencies 1400-1500
300 Business Expressweekday PM Peak: +100%~30 min. -> ~15 min.
360 Vaughan Mills/Wonderlandweekday: -100%weekday service removed
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You know if they made the buses run a bit faster they could get more runs in at the end of the day. Most of these routes have too much padding.
 
Bordercollie said:
You know if they made the buses run a bit faster they could get more runs in at the end of the day. Most of these routes have too much padding.
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You know who you should mention that to?...... the politicians of York Region!
 
Bordercollie said:
The contractor probably gets penalized for on time performance hence why the padded schedules with buses stopped at extended times at terminals and along the route to use up time.
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The reason doesn't matter (at this stage); and you're guessing.

Don't guess, complain to York Region's Chair and let them inquire about whether/why some routes have excess padding.
 
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Speaking of complaining to Regional Council, YRT doesn't have GTFS communication for cancelled buses. Writing an email or two to get the ball rolling might be worthwhile.

There are also plenty of other low hanging fruits worth complaining about. They should prioritize VIVA with active TSP and let buses go through before left turning traffic.
 
YRT will be getting 80 long range battery electric buses from Nova Bus. Deliveries are expected to begin in 2026.

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Nova Bus Awarded a Contract for a Supply of 80 LFSe+ Electrical Buses to the Regional Municipality of York - Novabus

Montréal, January 21, 2024 – Nova Bus, a Canadian leader in electric bus manufacturing and a member of Volvo Group, is pleased to announce that it has been awarded a contract for the production of 80 fully electric LFSe+ urban buses for The Regional Municipality of York. Deliveries are scheduled...
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I really can't understand why the #2 last bus from finch is ~23:16. Considering many events finish around 10 to 11pm it takes a good 45 minutes to reach Finch station.

Would really love to see YRT add in one more bus departing Finch at around midnight. It would be a lifesaver, compared to taking the 53 Steeles and then having to walk 10 to 20 mins north.
 
@6ixGod Agreed. And it's seen increased use with fare integration.

The weekday evening frequency of 50 mins is also very low. And it's brutal seeing runners who miss the bus.
 
6ixGod said:
I really can't understand why the #2 last bus from finch is ~23:16. Considering many events finish around 10 to 11pm it takes a good 45 minutes to reach Finch station.

Would really love to see YRT add in one more bus departing Finch at around midnight. It would be a lifesaver, compared to taking the 53 Steeles and then having to walk 10 to 20 mins north.
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How about 98/99 run 24 hours? I would think that there is demand.
 
The 2025 transit initiatives plan is now available through the YRT site. It's quite confusing to go through the plan because it includes a lot of changes that already happened (mainly from the January 5 batch of changes). For example, changes such as extending the 7 to Humber College on weekends, increasing afternoon service on the 107B, restructuring the 409, and introducing On-Request North-Central are still included.

To be fair, I believe the report was done last month so those changes still would've been in the future, however it does include the changes to On-Request King, and On-Request Stouffville that happened back in June. Though it is proposed that they "explore increasing service hours and operating days" for those services.

Here are some of the major proposals in the plan. If I recall correctly, nearly all of them were already proposed back in May:
  • Truncating service on route 4 to end at Major Mackenzie West Terminal. A new route 6 will provide service west of the terminal instead, with service to the Nashville Heights neighbourhood. Service along Davos Road and Via Campanile would be discontinued.
  • Removal of service south of Humber College to the Woodbine Centre on route 7.
  • Rerouting route 87 to Maple GO station via Confederation Parkway and Peter Rupert Avenue.
  • A merger of the 91 and 91A branches into a single branch.
  • Extending On-Request Kleinberg-Nashville to new developments by Teston Road and Pine Valley Drive.
  • The introduction of On-Request Vandorf, serving the communities of Vandorf, Preston Lake, and Bloomington GO, with connections to route 33.
  • Changes to several school specials, many of which are in Aurora and Oak Ridges.
Additionally according to the consultation summary section (Appendix A), YRT has future plans of taking over service along Markham Road from the TTC.
 
Interesting that the route performance indicators are from Feb 2024 before OneFare. It really shows how slow there process is for these transit initiatives.

One positive is that some 2026 Initiatives can get implemented by September 2025.

"The 2025 Transit Initiatives will cost about 33,000 annual service hours or $3 million in operating costs."
 
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KawarthaTransiteer said:
The 2025 transit initiatives plan is now available through the YRT site. It's quite confusing to go through the plan because it includes a lot of changes that already happened (mainly from the January 5 batch of changes). For example, changes such as extending the 7 to Humber College on weekends, increasing afternoon service on the 107B, restructuring the 409, and introducing On-Request North-Central are still included.

To be fair, I believe the report was done last month so those changes still would've been in the future, however it does include the changes to On-Request King, and On-Request Stouffville that happened back in June. Though it is proposed that they "explore increasing service hours and operating days" for those services.

Here are some of the major proposals in the plan. If I recall correctly, nearly all of them were already proposed back in May:
  • Truncating service on route 4 to end at Major Mackenzie West Terminal. A new route 6 will provide service west of the terminal instead, with service to the Nashville Heights neighbourhood. Service along Davos Road and Via Campanile would be discontinued.
  • Removal of service south of Humber College to the Woodbine Centre on route 7.
  • Rerouting route 87 to Maple GO station via Confederation Parkway and Peter Rupert Avenue.
  • A merger of the 91 and 91A branches into a single branch.
  • Extending On-Request Kleinberg-Nashville to new developments by Teston Road and Pine Valley Drive.
  • The introduction of On-Request Vandorf, serving the communities of Vandorf, Preston Lake, and Bloomington GO, with connections to route 33.
  • Changes to several school specials, many of which are in Aurora and Oak Ridges.
Additionally according to the consultation summary section (Appendix A), YRT has future plans of taking over service along Markham Road from the TTC.
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Why would YRT take over Markham road service from the TTC? With the one fare program, why dont YRT allow the TTC to operate any service into York Region?
 
Sandpit said:
Once again disappointed that overnight service does not get a single mention.
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agreed so what if transit riders in york needs to get to work for their overnight shift, getting to downtown union station or the airport to get their early morning depatures for out of town?
 
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