News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 02, 2020
 11K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
 43K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
 6.8K     0 
This list is from 2017 when the station was still somewhat clean. Keep in mind, back then it was heavily used by both MiWay and TTC
Ehhhh, the pigeon poop alone would have earned it a spot on the list, even if there wasn't a speck of dirt in the place otherwise. But ya it's worse now, I took a pic on the platform a few weeks ago that looked nearly apocalyptic I'll see if I can find it.
 
On station cleanliness, the TTC doesn't routinely publish the station by station results, though they;re around somewhere.
Huh ... I was in Dundas West on Tuesday, and literally stopped walking down the platform to admire how clean the walls looked, and how bright the station looked. Floors obviously a bit dirty with the snow.

The new (well not anymore) LED lighting in the triangular casing certainly makes it look better than the dingy old lighting you still have on some platforms.

Still, it's all fantastic compared to some other world-class cities. NYC comes to mind. I wasn't blown away in Chicago either.
 
Islington being nowhere in the top 10 dirtiest tells me everything I need to know about the accuracy of this list lmao
Its under construction with hording. Have said that, it has been a poor station for decades and never look clean looking in that timeframe.

I think once the Concord condos near the Canadian Tire are finished, Bessarion ridership will grow. Leslie, Rosedale and Summerhill could start competing for the title of least used station.
No it will not based on how many towers have been built there so far. It will be about another 10-15 years before it is completed based on the current Market. Kings Landing may change that when owners move in this year, but don't expect many will use the station. It has been a dead zone since day one.

Lot of the top worse 10 station would be in the top 10 clean station in Europe or even NYC.
 
Islington being nowhere in the top 10 dirtiest tells me everything I need to know about the accuracy of this list lmao
Kennedy, too, is absolutely revolting. If it's not pigeon goo everywhere it's suspicious fluids dripping down on you from God knows where.

Lot of the top worse 10 station would be in the top 10 clean station in Europe or even NYC.
Where in Europe, exactly, are things so bad that a station like Islington or Kennedy would make their top 10 most clean stations list? I'm calling shenanigans.
 

Attachments

  • 1769726980601.png
    1769726980601.png
    966.9 KB · Views: 52
Two questions pertaining to the Flexity Outlooks:

1) I went by Roncesvalles yard today and spotted car 4568 parked in the deadline. 4568 is the car that got a little too intimate with a garbage truck on St. Clair on July 26, 2022, and has been sitting out of service ever since. For most of that time since, it has been sitting outside, ever since they began the 8 year body rebuild program at Hillcrest. That's a lot of snow fall cycles. At what point does that amount of snowfall start to cause issues with the structural integrity of the vehicle's roof? I fully realize that these machines are built to withstand some amount of abuse, I'm just wondering how much is too much. I doubt that anyone is going up there and shoving the snow off.

1769727470476.png


2) Why is it that in the Flexity era, it takes so long to make a decision about repairing a vehicle? 4534 is another one that's been gone a long time - it had a collision on Queen Street on January 19, 2023. As far as we know from data compiled on the CPTDB, neither of these cars have had anything resembling repair work done to them yet. What is taking so long? I realize that repairs of damaged vehicles take time, but 3-3.5 years to not even decide if you're going to fix the car or not seems really excessive. In the CLRV era the turn around time on collision repairs was a lot faster.
 
Two questions pertaining to the Flexity Outlooks:

1) I went by Roncesvalles yard today and spotted car 4568 parked in the deadline. 4568 is the car that got a little too intimate with a garbage truck on St. Clair on July 26, 2022, and has been sitting out of service ever since. For most of that time since, it has been sitting outside, ever since they began the 8 year body rebuild program at Hillcrest. That's a lot of snow fall cycles. At what point does that amount of snowfall start to cause issues with the structural integrity of the vehicle's roof? I fully realize that these machines are built to withstand some amount of abuse, I'm just wondering how much is too much. I doubt that anyone is going up there and shoving the snow off.

2) Why is it that in the Flexity era, it takes so long to make a decision about repairing a vehicle? 4534 is another one that's been gone a long time - it had a collision on Queen Street on January 19, 2023. As far as we know from data compiled on the CPTDB, neither of these cars have had anything resembling repair work done to them yet. What is taking so long? I realize that repairs of damaged vehicles take time, but 3-3.5 years to not even decide if you're going to fix the car or not seems really excessive. In the CLRV era the turn around time on collision repairs was a lot faster.
I also wonder, if a car has been gathering dust while awaiting repairs for years on end, if that means it could/would retire that many years later than the rest of the fleet.
 
I also wonder, if a car has been gathering dust while awaiting repairs for years on end, if that means it could/would retire that many years later than the rest of the fleet.
Past experience seems to suggest not. John Bromley recorded that ALRV 4238 was out of service for a very long time, but that one was among the big group pulled from service in early 2018. Though I hope the two flooded cars will retire with the new order and not with the first one!

1769742145981.png
 
Two questions pertaining to the Flexity Outlooks:

1) I went by Roncesvalles yard today and spotted car 4568 parked in the deadline. 4568 is the car that got a little too intimate with a garbage truck on St. Clair on July 26, 2022, and has been sitting out of service ever since. For most of that time since, it has been sitting outside, ever since they began the 8 year body rebuild program at Hillcrest. That's a lot of snow fall cycles. At what point does that amount of snowfall start to cause issues with the structural integrity of the vehicle's roof? I fully realize that these machines are built to withstand some amount of abuse, I'm just wondering how much is too much. I doubt that anyone is going up there and shoving the snow off.

View attachment 711734
Considering that the car structure is built strong enough to basically handle its own full weight on its roof - I would hazard a guess that the answer is "a lot".

2) Why is it that in the Flexity era, it takes so long to make a decision about repairing a vehicle? 4534 is another one that's been gone a long time - it had a collision on Queen Street on January 19, 2023. As far as we know from data compiled on the CPTDB, neither of these cars have had anything resembling repair work done to them yet. What is taking so long? I realize that repairs of damaged vehicles take time, but 3-3.5 years to not even decide if you're going to fix the car or not seems really excessive. In the CLRV era the turn around time on collision repairs was a lot faster.
Because there are far more Flexities available than is strictly needed for service. Because of that, they can afford to delay spending money on repairs to vehicles held out of service for long periods of time.

Compare this to the CLRVs, where their utilization rate was approaching 90% until the Flexities really started to get delivered in 2017 or so. There just weren't enough cars to go around for the service that they were running, and so they had to rush to get them back into service if they broke down or got damaged.

Dan
 
Two questions pertaining to the Flexity Outlooks:

1) I went by Roncesvalles yard today and spotted car 4568 parked in the deadline. 4568 is the car that got a little too intimate with a garbage truck on St. Clair on July 26, 2022, and has been sitting out of service ever since. For most of that time since, it has been sitting outside, ever since they began the 8 year body rebuild program at Hillcrest. That's a lot of snow fall cycles. At what point does that amount of snowfall start to cause issues with the structural integrity of the vehicle's roof? I fully realize that these machines are built to withstand some amount of abuse, I'm just wondering how much is too much. I doubt that anyone is going up there and shoving the snow off.

View attachment 711734

2) Why is it that in the Flexity era, it takes so long to make a decision about repairing a vehicle? 4534 is another one that's been gone a long time - it had a collision on Queen Street on January 19, 2023. As far as we know from data compiled on the CPTDB, neither of these cars have had anything resembling repair work done to them yet. What is taking so long? I realize that repairs of damaged vehicles take time, but 3-3.5 years to not even decide if you're going to fix the car or not seems really excessive. In the CLRV era the turn around time on collision repairs was a lot faster.
The TTC currently has far too many streetcars, why spend $$ on repairing a few of them if they will then sit unused or under-used? Of course, one day they WILL need all of them and then they will not be able to catch up with these more major rebuilds. It's called "planning' at the TTC.
 
Considering that the car structure is built strong enough to basically handle its own full weight on its roof - I would hazard a guess that the answer is "a lot".


Because there are far more Flexities available than is strictly needed for service. Because of that, they can afford to delay spending money on repairs to vehicles held out of service for long periods of time.

Compare this to the CLRVs, where their utilization rate was approaching 90% until the Flexities really started to get delivered in 2017 or so. There just weren't enough cars to go around for the service that they were running, and so they had to rush to get them back into service if they broke down or got damaged.

Dan
Makes sense, thanks.

Would I be correct in assuming that this is the same reason that they haven't done anything yet with 4478 despite it being back since June?
 
Shutting down the core of the subway for over an hour at rush hour for a trespasser seems like another failure.
Another day, another shitshow (or as the french would say, "show de shit"). First a security incident at Wellesley (at least it cleared up quick), then another one at VP causing a service suspension from Woodbine & a backlog of trains holding all the way till Yonge. When it finally got moving, it was extremely slow the whole way, even as service to Kennedy resumed. Then service was suspended from Woodbine again due to "signal issues" / "track repairs" at VP, leaving people stranded on the train between Main & VP for like 30 mins. At this point, I could hardly blame anyone even if they decided to open the emergency exit, get off the train & walk the rest of the way through the tunnel along the tracks (at least to the nearest station), it'd be faster than this bs.
 
Last edited:
This morning, Line 2 went down from Warden to Woodbine due to rail issues.

They just finished the repairs in the last 30m or so.

The scene was chaotic and communication remained poor throughout, even now, as service has resumed, riders at Woodbine faced long delays for packed trains that took ages to board, and there was little if any communication to riders and no on-site organization to mitigate crowding.

What an embarrassing shambles
 
This morning, Line 2 went down from Warden to Woodbine due to rail issues.

They just finished the repairs in the last 30m or so.

The scene was chaotic and communication remained poor throughout, even now, as service has resumed, riders at Woodbine faced long delays for packed trains that took ages to board, and there was little if any communication to riders and no on-site organization to mitigate crowding.

What an embarrassing shambles

I wonder what caused the damage?
 

Back
Top