[zang]

It's actually better than free. The TTC is getting extra money from TMU that will make the system better for everyone.

Whats sad though is that our transit system is becoming more and more reliant on private funds to do anything these days, from P3s, to expansion of advertisement, to now “corporate sponsorship”. This of an agency that has for decades more reliant on farebox income than just about any other major city.

Just fund the system properly.

 

[T3G]

The entire point of this exercise was to remove “Dundas” from the station so if they had to keep it, regardless of how necessary it was to orient people, then why do it at all??

It's not, the plan to rename Dundas Street was dropped ages ago.

The only reason the station got renamed is because TMU wanted it to be renamed with their branding. Had they not made the offer, it would have remained as Dundas station.

 

[urbanclient]

It's actually better than free. The TTC is getting extra money from TMU that will make the system better for everyone.

It's not clear at all that this is the case. TMU apparently only paid for the costs associated with the renaming, with some extra margin above the hard costs to the TTC and City (but what about the soft costs?). And we are lucky that the cost of new maps on the subway cars etc... was likely fully mitigated by delaying it to coincide with the Line 5/6 opening map change. Otherwise, the new map costs were apparently not accounted for initially. What that extra margin is for, if any, I doubt will make much of a difference. The contract is in the low single digit millions. 1 million gets you track maintenance for 1 year for less than 1 km of track.

 

[mr_content]

the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations

Nobody has played the "erasing history" card for the now-former Eglinton West station, which is far more architecturally significant and, like Dundas, named for a cross street whose name relates to local history. We're talking about a subway station that opened in 1954 and has never been regarded as any kind of great landmark. History will go on. We'll be fine.

 

[picard102]

The entire point of this exercise was to remove “Dundas” from the station

Except it wasn't.

Putting aside the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations

You'll be happy to know no history books were harmed by renaming Dundas station to TMU.

 

[picard102]

It's not clear at all that this is the case. TMU apparently only paid for the costs associated with the renaming, with some extra margin above the hard costs to the TTC and City (but what about the soft costs?). And we are lucky that the cost of new maps on the subway cars etc... was likely fully mitigated by delaying it to coincide with the Line 5/6 opening map change. Otherwise, the new map costs were apparently not accounted for initially. What that extra margin is for, if any, I doubt will make much of a difference. The contract is in the low single digit millions. 1 million gets you track maintenance for 1 year for less than 1 km of track.

They also have a program at TMU to improve transit.

Starting as an 18-month pilot project, Transit Innovation Yard will develop cutting-edge solutions for initiatives like route optimization, better real-time service updates and improved journey planning tools to help create better transit services for the City of Toronto. The initiative will leverage TMU’s researchers, start-ups, and more, to help develop cutting-edge solutions to pressing transit challenges.

 

[nightstreak]

Except it wasn't.

Except it literally was. I attended the city council meeting where this was voted on. Chris Moise went on about healing, setting things right, inclusivity, etc etc

Both the Square and the station renaming were announced as one move. At the same time it was announced that they would be giving up renaming the street due to cost but both the square and the station renaming was done to remove Dundas’ name — it was convenient that TMU had offered to pay for the renaming but it would not have happened without the impetus of removing Dundas’ name. Yet there it still is, the whole point was moot.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

From

Finch West Line 6 LRT

From JRUrbaneNetwork:

urbantoronto.ca

Might as well include Line 6 as a "go slow" zone. AND the legacy streetcar network & Line 5 when it opens, as well.

 

[txlseries4]

From Matt Elliott
"Mayor Olivia Chow is introducing fare capping for TTC riders in her upcoming budget. Instead of having to decide whether it makes sense to buy a monthly pass in advance, rides will automatically be free after 47 trips starting next Sept.

Chow also says she plans to drop the threshold for fare capping to 40 rides in 2027, but we’ll need to get through a little thing called the municipal election first."

 

[6ixGod]

From Matt Elliott
"Mayor Olivia Chow is introducing fare capping for TTC riders in her upcoming budget. Instead of having to decide whether it makes sense to buy a monthly pass in advance, rides will automatically be free after 47 trips starting next Sept.

Chow also says she plans to drop the threshold for fare capping to 40 rides in 2027, but we’ll need to get through a little thing called the municipal election first."

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Excellent news! Welcome to 2004!

Sarcasm aside, it's a step in the right direction.

 

[Northern Light]

As I noted in the Mayor Chow thread, I had previously mentioned I expected fare capping in this year's budget; I was a bit irked when I did not see it in the initial TTC 2026 budget plan.

But I see here they resolved their financial challenge by upping the cap number to a very high 47 fares beginning in September; with a subsequent commitment to bring that down to 40 in 2027, after the presumed reelection of the mayor.

I wish the City would have just 'bit the bullet' and gone to 40 this year, even if that meant delaying the improvement to October, largely by jacking parking rates to pay for it. But I get that this is election strategy. So be it. Its a very positive step in the right direction.

 

[picard102]

Except it literally was. I attended the city council meeting where this was voted on. Chris Moise went on about healing, setting things right, inclusivity, etc etc

Both the Square and the station renaming were announced as one move. At the same time it was announced that they would be giving up renaming the street due to cost but both the square and the station renaming was done to remove Dundas’ name — it was convenient that TMU had offered to pay for the renaming but it would not have happened without the impetus of removing Dundas’ name. Yet there it still is, the whole point was moot.

The station would not have been renamed if TMU wasn't interested in it. Period.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The existing monthly pass is 47 rides (techincially 47.27 rides) before it pays for itself, so that's not a change.

Dropping it to 40 is the right thing to do I think, but it will result in significant lost revenue for the TTC. That's cutting monthly Metropass costs to $132 from $156 ($24 less), and the TTC loses the benefit of people who buy a metropass but don't actually use it more than 47 times (i.e. higher per-ride revenue for that user).

 

[nfitz]

The existing monthly pass is 47 rides (techincially 47.27 rides) before it pays for itself, so that's not a change.

Dropping it to 40 is the right thing to do I think, but it will result in significant lost revenue for the TTC. That's cutting monthly Metropass costs to $132 from $156 ($24 less), and the TTC loses the benefit of people who buy a metropass but don't actually use it more than 47 times (i.e. higher per-ride revenue for that user).

Would it thought? Would more people take rides 30 through 40, if they knew it was then free?

I'm certainly less likely to take TTC now I don't have a pass. But if I knew I was going to hit the cap, I would ride more.

The 47 remains bizarre. It shouldn't be anymore than 2 times the number of typical work days in a month.

9 months to implement? That doesn't make sense, unless they think this impacts the budget, so they only do 4 months of impact on the 2026 budget. And I don't see that it does. Should be neutral to positive.

 

[rbt]

9 months to implement? That doesn't make sense, unless they think this impacts the budget, so they only do 4 months of impact on the 2026 budget. And I don't see that it does. Should be neutral to positive.

I suspect that was a date provided by Metrolinx. Not because it'll take the Presto programming team that long but because 3rd party requests are almost always their lowest priority.