[Mihairokov]

Question: Why do Fare Inspector (rebranded as Provincial Offence Officer) conduct fare inspections in Downtown Toronto most of the time and not in other areas?

Why are POO officers camped out at King, a station which presumably has far more people paying for fare as a proportion of riders than most other stations?

If they wanted to catch fare evaders on the subway they'd be better off at Warden or Kipling or Sheppard West.

 

[zang]

Why are POO officers camped out at King, a station which presumably has far more people paying for fare as a proportion of riders than most other stations?

Volume of offenders?

King’s a much, much busier station at all times of day.

 

[Northern Light]

Volume of offenders?

King’s a much, much busier station at all times of day.

Right, but there are no bus roadways by which to illegally enter, nor do streetcars (which have the highest evasion rate) stop within the fare paid area of the station.

I find it difficult to believe the evasion rate is high at a station where you must pass through the fare gates to enter.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I remember mandatory Lord's Prayer, bible readings, and the whip in Ontario (public) elementary school - and even I'm not old enough to have seen photo ID!

I'm not really sure the point - seems trivial and unnecessary. Looking at some of my sons female Grade 7 classmates, some look 16 or older in my eyes. It's not that easy to tell.

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...

 

[DSCToronto]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...
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Walter: Though you sometimes had useful posts under your former Nom de Plume I finally 'ignored' you as the ratio of tiresome posts became too high. When you changed names I unblocked you in the hopes you would make enough useful contributions to merit reading them again. Too bad this optimism has faded, farewell!

 

[PurplePinky]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...
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Children under a certain age used to be on their Mothers passport.

Perhaps that is why family photos (without Dad) were required.

Now, infants & children require their own passports.

 

[dowlingm]

Children under a certain age used to be on their Mothers passport.

Perhaps that is why family photos (without Dad) were required.

Now, infants & children require their own passports.

Reminds me of going through YYZ and being asked “where’s Mom?” when travelling with my kid. I had all the paperwork so was expecting the question (and the answer in any case was “in Arrivals”) but just not quite framed in those terms. I told the agent that of the four times we had gone through an airport on that trip (YYZ, SNN, SNN, YYZ) he was the first to ask.

The ID my son’s middle school issued has no DOB.

 

[nfitz]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Yes - it made getting into bars at age 16 easier when no one had any photo id. Heck, I used to use my SIN card if I was desperate!

Other than passport, etc., I think one of my very first photo IDs was my TTC Metropass photo card. But no dates (as I was an adult ... well student, but I don't think there was any discounts in the 1980s).

 

[zang]

Right, but there are no bus roadways by which to illegally enter, nor do streetcars (which have the highest evasion rate) stop within the fare paid area of the station.

I find it difficult to believe the evasion rate is high at a station where you must pass through the fare gates to enter.

Are we talking about inside the gates or at the streetcar waiting area? I’ve only seen them at the latter. But it is a high traffic stop, even for those not transferring to the subway.

 

[Northern Light]

Are we talking about inside the gates or at the streetcar waiting area? I’ve only seen them at the latter. But it is a high traffic stop, even for those not transferring to the subway.

I was suggesting inside the gates.

I don't know why you wait outside a streetcar, that is not within paid zone of control; because said passengers aren't contained, what are you doing to do if they keep walking and refuse to acknowledge you, tackle them?

They wouldn't and you can't just pen them on the road or the sidewalk.

For streetcars, enforcement needs to be when exiting within a TTC control zone (fare paid area, TTC property), or when the vehicle is in motion. The person being confronted has no easy way to avoid the officers in those scenarios.

 

[zang]

I was suggesting inside the gates.

I don't know why you wait outside a streetcar, that is not within paid zone of control; because said passengers aren't contained, what are you doing to do if they keep walking and refuse to acknowledge you, tackle them?

They wouldn't and you can't just pen them on the road or the sidewalk.

For streetcars, enforcement needs to be when exiting within a TTC control zone (fare paid area, TTC property), or when the vehicle is in motion. The person being confronted has no easy way to avoid the officers in those scenarios.

I’ve seen POO get on and off at streetcars at King. They’ll usually check riders to about Bathurst, then head back to king on the next eastbound.

Edited to add: the way I see it, it’s a high traffic area to catch those who’ve skipped fare at any of the numerous subway stations. No need to focus on the point of departure; focus on the busiest streetcar line in the city, where you’ll likely get many more fare jumpers than say, parking at Broadview. You’ll get those who go in bus entrances to get into the system, and those who don’t tap on onto the streetcar.

 

[Richard White]

Progress at Warden!

 

[DSCToronto]

I think this is almost the last block of King which is getting tidied up while the Church/King intersection is closed. As far as I can tell, it is for margin repairs not a full rail replacement. I think they still need to deal with minor problems between Yonge and Jarvis but they really seemed to catch most of the margin repairs between Bathurst and River and totally re-laid the rails from Parliament to Sumach.

In the fall NEXT year they will be replacing the special track at King & York - I suspect they will forget to order the extra curve (east to North) but ...

Project Track Replacement (Special Track)
Location KING ST W Near: YORK ST
Details Replacement of the streetcar tracks/rails and the underlying support materials. Work may include resurfacing or reconstruction of the adjacent road/traffic lanes.Construction
Timeline Q3 2026 - Q4 2026

 

[hawc]

Leslie Barns. 6:15 AM.

 

[DSCToronto]

Leslie Barns. 6:15 AM.

Interesting pc. Looks as though their project to concrete in all the tracks is almost over.