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Saw a 51 sign on Millwood last night and was irritated but recalled the whole “can’t change all the signs at once for crosstown” chat here, and obviously pro-activity by a public agency is rare and usually welcome, but then this morning I passed a sign on Mt Pleasant which still shows 141…
 
dowlingm said:
Saw a 51 sign on Millwood last night and was irritated but recalled the whole “can’t change all the signs at once for crosstown” chat here, and obviously pro-activity by a public agency is rare and usually welcome, but then this morning I passed a sign on Mt Pleasant which still shows 141…
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And there's other signs nearby that one that indicate the 74 will stop there when it will travel east on Eglinton instead.....

There is a whole department that is dedicated to updating incorrect stop signage. They have their hands full, but all of those mistakes are already on their docket.

Dan
 
dowlingm said:
Saw a 51 sign on Millwood last night and was irritated but recalled the whole “can’t change all the signs at once for crosstown” chat here, and obviously pro-activity by a public agency is rare and usually welcome, but then this morning I passed a sign on Mt Pleasant which still shows 141…
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The 51 signs were posted several months ago (perhaps in winter?) along Laird and Donlands... I think the 51 will be inconvenient for me, but I understand these changes will generally be better for the system
 
PL1 said:
The 51 signs were posted several months ago (perhaps in winter?) along Laird and Donlands... I think the 51 will be inconvenient for me, but I understand these changes will generally be better for the system
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I assume it will give you one extra transfer each way. The question then, is whether there is any frequency improvement associated with the change, and that, in association with what should be a fast, one-stop trip on the Crosstown, is able to make it a wash.
 
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smallspy said:
And there's other signs nearby that one that indicate the 74 will stop there when it will travel east on Eglinton instead.....

There is a whole department that is dedicated to updating incorrect stop signage. They have their hands full, but all of those mistakes are already on their docket.

Dan
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The updating of stop signage may have a whole TTC department but it is clearly either under-staffed or uninformed. Having route numbers on TRANSIT STOP signs is a common thing all over the world, though new(ish) to the TTC. Routes and route numbers get changed all the time and it has always taken TTC many months to sort out the stop signage. When the Bay bus changed number from 6 to 19 a couple of years ago it took about a year (and several phone calls) to get the stop signs changed. When the 503 route ran on King to Spadina the signs on King were (surprisingly) changed quite fast but (unsurprisingly) it took far longer to have the 503 removed from stops no longer served (in fact, last time I looked there is still a 503 on the eastbound stop on King just west of York). On Wellington the stops used to say 503 ; then the 501 was sent along Wellington and the 503 stayed on King, and the stops were, finally, changed to 501. When the 503 returned to Wellington the stop signage was not changed back for ages and it still has only paper signs with hand written '503". I realise that the idea of having to change Stop signage when a route is changed is a new thing for TTC and means the route planners need to know about and talk to the stop-team but they really need to get better organised. A permanent route change should get new permanant signage within a week or so of the change. A temporary planned diversion that is expected to last for longer than x days should get cardboard signage at the affected stops within a day or so. There is also the problem of removing signage from stops no longer served - there are still TTC signs on both Old Cherry and Villiers - though the TTC is using neither street since new Cherry opened last year. Putting up or removing signs does not take special skills, planning it properly does and that seems to be lacking.
 
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RapidTransit said:
... And I wonder where he lives. Leary lived in Aurora, and Andy Byford lived in Chaplin ...

Either way , good news. I'm always proud first hand experience...
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https://archive.ph/xxqha#selection-4379.220-4379.316
He’s previously said he won’t own a car and will take the TTC to work. But, when asked what neighbourhood he’s commuting from, he succinctly answered, “I live in the city.”
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I don't see why he should have to be any more specific about telling everyone where he lives.
 
DSCToronto said:
The updating of stop signage may have a whole TTC department but it is clearly either under-staffed or uninformed.
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I think it's actually a new department within Service Planning. There used to be a group that was based out of Hillcrest, but as you correctly note things were left wonky or incorrect for months and months at a time. This new department actually has boots on the ground and does audits on a regular basis. Hopefully, they manage to keep the signage up to a better state than before.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
I think it's actually a new department within Service Planning. There used to be a group that was based out of Hillcrest, but as you correctly note things were left wonky or incorrect for months and months at a time. This new department actually has boots on the ground and does audits on a regular basis. Hopefully, they manage to keep the signage up to a better state than before.

Dan
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Good to hear, it is symptomatic of TTC that when they started to add route numbers to stop signage (which was certainly a good , if hardly original, idea) they did not think about how these stop signs would be changed!
 
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