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I find it ridiculous that some would actually argue the current fabric seats are more comfortable than vinyl or bench seats,
They are. Fabric seats feel softer and warmer to the touch, especially in colder weather. Fabric-covered seats include some degree of padding, offering a slight cushion that improves perceived comfort. Fabric tends to absorb sound and vibration better, making the experience quieter and less jarring.

(if you're wearing clothes, and the seats still stick to you, that means your clothes are stuck as well and you probably should be more concerned about that).
If your definition of wearing clothes means a Burqa, then you have a point. But in reality not everyone is in a three piece suit on the subway in the summer.
 
They are. Fabric seats feel softer and warmer to the touch, especially in colder weather. Fabric-covered seats include some degree of padding, offering a slight cushion that improves perceived comfort. Fabric tends to absorb sound and vibration better, making the experience quieter and less jarring.
In Warsaw or Stockholm, sure those seats are pretty comfy. But there should be no question that on the TTC seats the cushion effect is negligible and they are effectively about as hard as the NYC plastic seats everyone loves to hate on.

If your definition of wearing clothes means a Burqa, then you have a point. But in reality not everyone is in a three piece suit on the subway in the summer.
No, my point has always been that the vast majority of riders wouldn't be sitting in those seats ass-naked (or even topless), so me thinks this issue is overblown more than it needs to be. And I say this as someone who goes out in nothing but a t-shirt & swim shorts in the summer whenever possible.
 
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Where on earth did you get this from? This is completely and utterly untrue.
Of all the times I rode the TTC and sat down, I never noticed any significant degree of squishiness to those seats (not that I cared much either way, I don't mind sitting on plastic seats either).

Also, the excuse that you'd go sliding off vinyl seats as soon as you felt the slightest bit of acceleration in any direction directly contradicts the notion of sticking to those seats.
 
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In Warsaw or Stockholm, sure those seats are pretty comfy. But there should be no question that on the TTC seats the cushion effect is negligible and they are effectively about as hard as the NYC plastic seats everyone loves to hate on.
This is a wild take.
No, my point has always been that the vast majority of riders wouldn't be sitting in those seats ass-naked (or even topless), so me thinks this issue is overblown more than it needs to be. And I say this as someone who goes out in nothing but a t-shirt & swim shorts in the summer whenever possible.
No one said they'd be sitting in them naked. That's entirely something you made up. But people wearing shorts or any variation of tops that are not t-shirts certainly would experience feeling their skin get stick to the surface.
 
This is a wild take.
Really now? I'll be sure to check next time I take the ttc (which isn't very often these days), but I'm pretty sure they're nowhere near as cushy as, say, the C14 seats, despite being configured very similarly.

No one said they'd be sitting in them naked. That's entirely something you made up. But people wearing shorts or any variation of tops that are not t-shirts certainly would experience feeling their skin get stick to the surface.
So which one is it? Either they were sticky or slippery (to slide around in them), but surely they can't be both.
 
Really now? I'll be sure to check next time I take the ttc (which isn't very often these days), but I'm pretty sure they're nowhere near as cushy as, say, the C14 seats, despite being configured very similarly.
So which is it? The NYC hard plastic seats, or the C14 seats?

So which one is it? Either they were sticky or slippery (to slide around in them), but surely they can't be both.
They surely can. Hard plastic can stick to your skin, or be slippery on your clothing.
 
Chiming in - for me, this is the biggest issue on the TTC. We spend a lot of time debating expansion dreams and all that - but I just want to get on the subway an not face mental health concerns pretty much every time I ride (which is at least twice a day every day)…
I’m not on it every day, but on Thursday, for the second time, I saw a guy step from the platform to the space between two subway cars on Line 2.
 
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Where on earth did you get this from? This is completely and utterly untrue.
Of all the times I rode the TTC and sat down, I never noticed any significant degree of squishiness to those seats
Had the opportunity to try those seats again tonight (pressing down with my fingertips), I stand by what I said: they felt exactly as if you put a few-mm-thick layer of fabric over a rock. No significant squishiness or cushion effect whatsoever.
 
A report to next week's TTC meeting updates us on the installation of 5G in the tunnels/stations.


From the above?

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