dowlingm
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New Warden gates (south facing) at 6pm last night (Friday 3rd)
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New Warden gates (south facing) at 6pm last night (Friday 3rd)
JBR
Active Member
Warden temp bus bays open Jan5Dec 31
The kiss & Ride with cab space has been paved and strip at Kipling, but not open. The fence will remain up around it until all the construction material is removed. Photos for December are on line, but not last night shots.
Don't know when Warden temporary bus bays are to open, but far from doing so as of last night. Try to get some shots, but mostly ended up with rain on them. The walkway from the bus bay area .to the concourse is not completed as well from the street. Only saw 5 shelters with 2 on Warden at the current entrance and may miss a few due to the rain and darkness. The cab with the Kiss & Ride area is ready to open at the south end as well the bus bays as they are paved and strip. Going be some long walks getting to/from the North Parking Lot, the street and the bus bays to/from the subway,
A big different from what I shot early November 27 to yesterday. The gates to the concourse are not fully install and going to be fund funneling riders in both directions through that narrow gate area.
No idea if they will have washrooms in a portal trailer on site since the washrooms will be gone when the new bus bays open, other than going to Kennedy or Victoria Park stations that have washrooms now. If you look out the window of an westbound train, you can see the new area clearly. Daylight the best time to see it.
All the phots from November 27 are now up on my site which is a lot and still running a month behind with a 1,000 still in my backlog including last night shots.
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drum118
Superstar
Jan 4
This type of bike is not an E-Bike regardless having an E plate, but more a scooter from my point of view and shouldn't allow on TTC subway trains as they will do more damage than a real bike. The chap was having a hard time getting the bike up the stairs to the bus concourses at Warden tonight and how did he get it up the stairs from the street in the first place. He will not have to worry about doing that after tonight as that section will be block off somewhere around 3am Sunday with the official closing of the terminal. Riders will be in for a nice surprise tomorrow to see how far they will have to walk to/from their buses or the street for the next 20-24 months until the new terminal opens. Even having to stand outside in all types of weather will not be fun as well.
That bike/scooter loves to speed down the bike lanes and seen far too many close calls for hitting people.
This type of bike is not an E-Bike regardless having an E plate, but more a scooter from my point of view and shouldn't allow on TTC subway trains as they will do more damage than a real bike. The chap was having a hard time getting the bike up the stairs to the bus concourses at Warden tonight and how did he get it up the stairs from the street in the first place. He will not have to worry about doing that after tonight as that section will be block off somewhere around 3am Sunday with the official closing of the terminal. Riders will be in for a nice surprise tomorrow to see how far they will have to walk to/from their buses or the street for the next 20-24 months until the new terminal opens. Even having to stand outside in all types of weather will not be fun as well.
That bike/scooter loves to speed down the bike lanes and seen far too many close calls for hitting people.
DSCToronto
Superstar
ABSOLUTELY. There are e-bikes and e-bikes The differences between them need to be more carefully defined by the Province (which would thus apply 'everywhere') for ALL rules & regulations. In my opinion, e-bikes that can use bike lanes and be taken on TTC MUST have workable pedals and the bike must be for one person only and not weigh more than pounds. As in the photo, some are huge, heavy, fast and never pedaled!
rbt
Senior Member
California recently declared these types of vehicles were not e-bikes and need to follow scooter/motorcycle rules: ebikes have a 20mph maximum speed (by design, not a trivial to remove governor), 750 watt maximum output, 120kg maximum weight (both bike and battery), and no throttle switch (must use pedals).
They also banned e-bike use for those under 12 years of age. I guess they were being used as dirt-bike alternative which also has a minimum age.
generalcanada
Senior Member
Whats funny is that theese things have tiny pedals so they can be kind of called e-bikes.
Theyre motorbikes lol
Tiny, useless pedals ….
DSCToronto
Superstar
Yes, there needs to be a proper definition! Here is the one from California - from https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=312.5.&lawCode=VEH see also: https://www.calbike.org/california-e-bike-classifications/
Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 1. WORDS AND PHRASES DEFINED [100 - 681]
( Division 1 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )312.5.
(a) An “electric bicycle” is a bicycle equipped with fully operable pedals and an electric motor that does not exceed 750 watts of power.(1) A “class 1 electric bicycle,” or “low-speed pedal-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling, that is not capable of exclusively propelling the bicycle, except as provided in paragraph (4), that ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 miles per hour, and that is not capable of providing assistance to reach speeds greater than 20 miles per hour.
(2) A “class 2 electric bicycle,” or “low-speed throttle-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle, and that is not capable of providing assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 miles per hour.
(3) A “class 3 electric bicycle,” or “speed pedal-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling, that is not capable of exclusively propelling the bicycle, except as provided in paragraph (4), and that ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 miles per hour, and equipped with a speedometer.
(4) A class 1 or class 3 electric bicycle may have start assistance or a walk mode that propels the electric bicycle on motor power alone, up to a maximum speed of 3.7 miles per hour.
(b) A person riding an electric bicycle, as defined in this section, is subject to Article 4 (commencing with Section 21200) of Chapter 1 of Division 11.
(c) On and after January 1, 2017, manufacturers and distributors of electric bicycles shall apply a label that is permanently affixed, in a prominent location, to each electric bicycle. The label shall contain the classification number, top assisted speed, and motor wattage of the electric bicycle, and shall be printed in Arial font in at least 9-point type.
(d) The following vehicles are not electric bicycles under this code and shall not be advertised, sold, offered for sale, or labeled as electric bicycles:
(1) A vehicle with two or three wheels powered by an electric motor that is intended by the manufacturer to be modifiable to attain a speed greater than 20 miles per hour on motor power alone or to attain more than 750 watts of power.
(2) A vehicle that is modified to attain a speed greater than 20 miles per hour on motor power alone or to have motor power of more than 750 watts.
(3) A vehicle that is modified to have its operable pedals removed.
(Amended by Stats. 2024, Ch. 791, Sec. 2. (SB 1271) Effective January 1, 2025.)
Here are the Ontario ones:.From: https://www.ontario.ca/page/riding-e-bike#section-2
E-bike requirements
To operate an e-bike in Ontario, the e-bike must have:- a maximum assisted speed of 32 km/h
- a maximum weight of 120 kg (includes the weight of the bike and battery)
- an electric motor not exceeding 500 watts
- no modifications to the motor to allow it to exceed a power output greater than 500 watts and an assisted speed greater than 32 km/h
- battery and electric motor securely fastened to the bicycle frame to prevent them from moving while the e-bike is operating
- all electrical terminals properly insulated
- minimum wheel width of 35 mm and minimum diameter of 350 mm
- two independent braking systems that applies force to each wheel and is capable of bringing the e-bike, while being operated at a speed of 30 km/h, to a full stop within 9 metres, on a level asphalt surface, from the point at which the brakes were applied
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PL1
Senior Member
I *once* saw someone pedaling one of these on the MGT between Leslie and Coxwell a few years back. Unsurprisingly, it was going only a few km/h (I was running and easily passed it!
I 100% agree that what constitutes an E-bike needs to be codified, and I also support maximum speeds, weight, etc. and that there is e-assist only when pedalled.
Tim MacDonald
Senior Member
So just got back from this morning's flying. Not great conditions and had to scrub a number of planned flights but did manage to get to Islington station. I'll post more in the Islington station thread at some point but here is one shot for now.
Richard White
Senior Member
Tomorrow morning is going to be a s***show at Warden.
As it stands now, buses are making a left turn from Warden into the Bus Platforms. There is no controlled intersection, just a turning lane.
It was not so bad today but in the middle of the rush hour with full blown traffic, I can see a myriad of issues with buses waiting to make the turn.
What I don't understand is why a traffic light was never put in at the entrance to the bus platforms to assist with access for buses. I have a feeling that when they see how much of a mess things become they will put in a temporary light.
As it stands now, buses are making a left turn from Warden into the Bus Platforms. There is no controlled intersection, just a turning lane.
It was not so bad today but in the middle of the rush hour with full blown traffic, I can see a myriad of issues with buses waiting to make the turn.
What I don't understand is why a traffic light was never put in at the entrance to the bus platforms to assist with access for buses. I have a feeling that when they see how much of a mess things become they will put in a temporary light.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Does the TTC have to "pay" Toronto Transportation Services for any traffic signals that they request? If it has to come out of the TTC operating budget, they have other "priorities" like the subway "go slow zones"..
Richard White
Senior Member
Walter,
SOGR Repair work does need to be done but you cannot cripple a fair chunk of the Scarborough and East York bus network taking the moral high ground.
drum118
Superstar
Jan 4
I did a final video of the terminal as to what it looked like on its final night of operation and planning on doing one for the daylight with the new terminal open for the outside only..
Don't know when the terminal official close, but would after the last train and bus departed and before the subway open. Fences or barriers went up most likely at the stair to the bus concourse or doors locked, but a guess on my part.
Riders will not know what hit them until they get off the bus at the new terminal as well those getting off the subway train. Hope TTC has a lot of staff on site directing riders where and how to get to the buses or the subway.
Since the new temporary terminal is now outside the pay area, riders will have to do a double tap to use the bus or the subway and raise a question related to the 2 hour transfer time. Depending on riders travel time from various parts of the city, some riders could be near max time when they hit the bus concourse and ran out of time while waiting for the bus that had no impact on them. Now having to wait outside and a longer time to get to their bus stop, they will have to do more time management or end up paying an extra fare.
Don't know if anyone has done a flyover what the station look like before the south parking lot was close, but one should be done now before the terminal comes down for history as to what it look like down the road.
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I did a final video of the terminal as to what it looked like on its final night of operation and planning on doing one for the daylight with the new terminal open for the outside only..
Don't know when the terminal official close, but would after the last train and bus departed and before the subway open. Fences or barriers went up most likely at the stair to the bus concourse or doors locked, but a guess on my part.
Riders will not know what hit them until they get off the bus at the new terminal as well those getting off the subway train. Hope TTC has a lot of staff on site directing riders where and how to get to the buses or the subway.
Since the new temporary terminal is now outside the pay area, riders will have to do a double tap to use the bus or the subway and raise a question related to the 2 hour transfer time. Depending on riders travel time from various parts of the city, some riders could be near max time when they hit the bus concourse and ran out of time while waiting for the bus that had no impact on them. Now having to wait outside and a longer time to get to their bus stop, they will have to do more time management or end up paying an extra fare.
Don't know if anyone has done a flyover what the station look like before the south parking lot was close, but one should be done now before the terminal comes down for history as to what it look like down the road.
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drum118
Superstar
Thanks Tim as this is the only way we can see what is going on until it hits grade. The hole is a lot smaller that what it says from the street. I have before phots for the area, but impossible to do it today.
Don't if anyone has done a flyover for the station before construction started as a before view of what existed for the whole area before the whole area is redeveloped for history.