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nfitz said:
So what's the other $442 million for - that's hardly a small sum to brush aside?
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Well, it's part of the Baseline stream so maybe it doesn't need to be allocated to specific items in the capital budget right now.

The baseline stream is $500m per year or $5B over 10 years.

There's also $20B over 10 years to fund Metro-Region Agreements.
 
DSC said:
They need to upgrade the signal system.
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As I noted above, it has to be done a lot faster than Line 1and before the new trains enter service.
 
Bojaxs said:
Is there any work that has to be done on Line 2 before they can get these new trains to operate on the line?
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DSC said:
They need to upgrade the signal system.
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drum118 said:
As I noted above, it has to be done a lot faster than Line 1and before the new trains enter service.
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An upgraded signal system is not required for the new trains to run, it's the new trains that are required for the changeover to the new signal system. Since the changeover from old to new fleet would happen gradually over the course of a few years rather than overnight, during that time both old and new fleets would need to share the right-of-way on the same signal system, thus the new trains must be able to be driven manually. The same is true of the TRs on line 1, which entered service years before ATC went live. So any delay in ATC implementation on line 2 should not affect the delivery schedule of the new fleet.

Bojaxs said:
Once all the T1's have been completely phased out, will we see the TTC simply have both the original TR's and these new trains operating interchangeably on lines 1,2 & 4?
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The TRs are supposed to stay on lines 1 & 4 for the remainder of their service life, and line 2 will consist entirely of the new fleet, however some of the new fleet will also go on line 1 (the add-on batch for the YNSE) and possibly eventually line 4 as well. Of course, it's possible the TRs may occasionally go on line 2 as well, as they have in the past, unless the line 2 ATC won't be compatible with them for whatever reason (apparently line 2 ATC is to be different than that of line 1).
 
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Bojaxs said:
My mistake. I misunderstood this announcement. I was under the impression that Alstom already got the contract, and that Thunder Bay was going to manufacture these trains, but it appears that's not the case.

I thought these schematics were confirmed for what the trains would look like on Line 2.
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Not your mistake at all. Freeland herself said they will be built in ThunderBay which was odd since the tender is still out. Other bidders could technically sue for unfair tender practices (already decided Alstom without going thru the proper channels).
 
JBR said:
Not your mistake at all. Freeland herself said they will be built in ThunderBay which was odd since the tender is still out. Other bidders could technically sue for unfair tender practices (already decided Alstom without going thru the proper channels).
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As happened to the Azur trains in Montreal - sole sourced to Bombardier, Alstom sued and won, Alstom and Bombardier then joined forces for a combined bid on the contract.

Realistically it's Alstom's to lose - it depends what the level of Canadian protectionism is in the bidding documents.
 
nfitz said:
TTC would have known who won the earlier bid that they cancelled because funding wasn't in place. They would also know which bids were compliant.

Do they even have to rebid it? They could simply ask the winning bidder to revise their numbers if necessary. If it's still the low bid, why waste everyone's time?
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Did the TTC actually evaluate the earlier bids and determine they were compliant and which was lowest?
 
APTA-2048 said:
Wasn’t it just an RFI to shortlist manufacturers? No proposals or price.
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Was it? That rings a bell now you say that.

My apologies!

That explains the timeframe. And now it's fairer for everyone, given you don't want too many people knowing the numbers for so long.
 
www.thestar.com

TTC report finds a problem with banning e-bikes and scooters

The TTC board asked for a report on the equity impact of a proposed seasonal ban on low-income people and racialized groups.
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A TTC policy that aligns with the E-bike Policy developed by Metrolinx could improve safety on the system, while also ensuring clarity for gig workers who rely on public transit to earn income. By taking a similar approach as Metrolinx, the TTC could address legitimate safety concerns while preserving the socio-economic benefits that ebikes offer to users and business owners.
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Like yea, just do what MX did.
 
generalcanada said:
Like yea, just do what MX did.
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Get out of here with that common sense! Kneejerk responses driven by hightened emotions in the wake of an accident are the way.

Hard to believe Metrolinx is doing anything that we should want to emulate. Life is truly strange LOL
 
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