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Richard White said:
How far will 55 cars get us?

I presume that is the bare minimum that we need to operate?
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81-717 said:
I could be wrong, but wasn't the total price for the entire order somewhere around 2B, and ~700M being the 1/3 share from each level of government funding? Then it was revealed that 2B is the cost of 55, not 80?
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The global number was 62 trains, and still is............

55 from this investment.

7 are 'growth' trains to service the Line 2 extension, and are being fully funded Metrolinx.

The 80 number included 18 trains for Line 1 growth.

Those trains are currently unfunded, but may be picked up as part of the Yonge North Extension project, TBD.
 
Bojaxs said:
Just confirming, these trains are essentially upgraded Toronto Rockets, correct?
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In the sense that these will be open-gangway trains of standard TTC length, and made in Thunder Bay, yes.

There are some tweaks, mechanically and appearance wise.
 
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smallspy said:
What makes you think that they aren't?

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Dan
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Because if they were, surely the STM and MTA wouldn't opt to keep the '73s and R68s around for another decade with their original chopper/SMEE technology, but rather have them replaced together with the '63s and R46s?
 
So what's the other $442 million for - that's hardly a small sum to brush aside?

Bordercollie said:
Subject to being re-elected. Otherwise will be cancelled by the PC's.
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It's still months to an election. It could be over year until the Conservatives are in the position to cancel things. I'd be shocked if the funding hadn't already been done and dusted by then.

Northern Light said:
In the sense that these will be open-gangway trains of standard TTC length, and made in Thunder Bay, yes.
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It's an open tender isn't it? I'm not sure that Thunder Bay will have the price advantage it used to have, now that there's more competent financial management with Alstom.
 
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nfitz said:
So what's the other $442 million for - that's hardly a small sum to brush aside?

It's still months to an election. It could be over year until the Conservatives are in the position to cancel things. I'd be shocked if the funding hadn't already been done and dusted by then.

It's an open tender isn't it? I'm not sure that Thunder Bay will have the price advantage it used to have, now that there's more competent financial management with Siemens.
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You also have CCRR who has a plant on the east coast.

If it is a real open tender like it should be, a few other bidders will surface with CCF and Stadler in the US been part of the list. Since the builder of Ontario Line 3 trains is off shore and will be asked to bid on them as well.

Downside to all of this is replacing the existing signaling that needs to be shorter than Line 1 completion timetable
 
drum118 said:
You also have CCRR who has a plant on the east coast.

If it is a real open tender like it should be, a few other bidders will surface with CCF and Stadler in the US been part of the list. Since the builder of Ontario Line 3 trains is off shore and will be asked to bid on them as well.

Downside to all of this is replacing the existing signaling that needs to be shorter than Line 1 completion timetable
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I don't know what CCRR is (other than the California Central Railroad). And CCF has been owned by Bombardier/Alstom for decades.

I'm not sure having them manufactured in the USA is going to fly - especially in the age of Buy America. I'd think that Canadian content requirements would result in at least final assembly being in Canada; if not Ontario.
 
nfitz said:
I don't know what CCRR is (other than the California Central Railroad). And CCF has been owned by Bombardier/Alstom for decades.

I'm not sure having them manufactured in the USA is going to fly - especially in the age of Buy America. I'd think that Canadian content requirements would result in at least final assembly being in Canada; if not Ontario.
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That should be CRRC and CAF. What I get for trying to do 3 things at the same time

Ottawa LRV's were assembly in Ottawa after been built oversea. Same most likely happen for the Ontario Line 3 cars and can see it happing on the subway cars to a point..
 
drum118 said:
That should be CRRC and CAF. What I get for trying to do 3 things at the same time
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CAF I can see if they have an Ontario assembly facility.

I really don't see us ordering trains from the Chinese government. Especially as the political situation worsens, and will likely worsen even more if the Conservatives get elected, and with the inevetible invasion of Taiwan.
 
nfitz said:
CAF I can see if they have an Ontario assembly facility.

I really don't see us ordering trains from the Chinese government. Especially as the political situation worsens, and will likely worsen even more if the Conservatives get elected, and with the inevetible invasion of Taiwan.
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CRRC doesn’t really have a stellar reputation given all the issues they’ve had with the orders they do have in North America. The worst is probably the Philadelphia bilevel commuter car order.
 
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