[picard102]

In reality I don't know anyone who feels satisfied about any government service?

Has anyone ever?

Rich people have left pretty much everywhere this was tried.

Rich people have left everyone behind everywhere. A reckoning is coming indeed.

 

[turbanplanner]

Has anyone ever?

Most people I talk to were a lot happier in the past. People weren't thrilled but they felt you got more value for what you paid.

 

[DSCToronto]

Most people I talk to were a lot happier in the past. People weren't thrilled but they felt you got more value for what you paid.

I suspect i am considerably older than you and I can assure you that every generation looks back on the past with fondness and complains how standards have slipped, how costs have risen and how ghastly the world is now. They (we) conveniently forget the bad things in the past and the things that are clearly better now.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I suspect i am considerably older than you and I can assure you that every generation looks back on the past with fondness and complains how standards have slipped, how costs have risen and how ghastly the world is now. They (we) conveniently forget the bad things in the past and the things that are clearly better now.

True, but at the same time some of these changes for the worse is undeniable (if not necessarily unavoidable) - e.g. housing availability and job security (post-war).

AoD

 

[turbanplanner]

I suspect i am considerably older than you and I can assure you that every generation looks back on the past with fondness and complains how standards have slipped, how costs have risen and how ghastly the world is now. They (we) conveniently forget the bad things in the past and the things that are clearly better now.

A lot of city services are objectively worse now.

 

[APTA-2048]

A lot of city services are objectively worse now.

But it’s not because people aren’t getting the value for what they paid. Actually maybe they are getting exactly what they paid for because over a decade ago the promise was made to find “efficiencies” to cut taxes. Turns out there wasn’t much to be found and they cut into services like the TTC instead. So 14 years of austerity later you see the TTC in the state that it’s in now, where even the vehicles that perform maintenance suffer from maintenance deferrals.

 

[PL1]

But it’s not because people aren’t getting the value for what they paid. Actually maybe they are getting exactly what they paid for because over a decade ago the promise was made to find “efficiencies” to cut taxes. Turns out there wasn’t much to be found and they cut into services like the TTC instead. So 14 years of austerity later you see the TTC in the state that it’s in now, where even the vehicles that perform maintenance suffer from maintenance deferrals.

And (e.g.) deferred maintenance of roads leading to more potholes. Tory used to proudly point out how many potholes the city was filling -- and that was really a sign of the rot he helped instill.

 

[turbanplanner]

But it’s not because people aren’t getting the value for what they paid. Actually maybe they are getting exactly what they paid for because over a decade ago the promise was made to find “efficiencies” to cut taxes. Turns out there wasn’t much to be found and they cut into services like the TTC instead. So 14 years of austerity later you see the TTC in the state that it’s in now, where even the vehicles that perform maintenance suffer from maintenance deferrals.

Just because things weren’t found, doesn’t mean there aren’t tons of inefficiencies, like the road dug up every year. I also hate how many shortsighted decisions they’ve made like building the Scarborough extension with Block signals, etc.

 

[goreckm]

Just because things weren’t found, doesn’t mean there aren’t tons of inefficiencies, like the road dug up every year. I also hate how many shortsighted decisions they’ve made like building the Scarborough extension with Block signals, etc.

Oh for sure, although, paradoxically, this is likely because government is smaller (in certain respects) now. Less people with the expertise and cross department know-how to schedule these things, and outsourcing as much as possible to the private sector, which will get paid to do the same job over and over again.

 

[picard102]

Just because things weren’t found, doesn’t mean there aren’t tons of inefficiencies, like the road dug up every year.

Which road. Because roads cannot be dug up for non-emergency work for a period of five years after they have been resurfaced or reconstructed.

 

[picard102]

True, but at the same time some of these changes for the worse is undeniable (if not necessarily unavoidable) - e.g. housing availability and job security (post-war).

AoD

Because someone felt they weren't getting value for their tax dollars and governments cut their ability to provide those things.

 

[turbanplanner]

Which road. Because roads cannot be dug up for non-emergency work for a period of five years after they have been resurfaced or reconstructed.

Kipling between new Toronto street and Evans ave. A few years ago Horner was repaved and then immediately trenched.

And I fee like the mortarium is ignored a lot of the time, the Queensway was repaved in the right lane from east mall to ~atomic ave. within weeks multiple access holes were dug.

 

[Northern Light]

In a shocking turn of developments, LOL........

The Main Street Station bus platform reconstruction project, which nominally wrapped up last September.........

Is now complete! The fast fences were replaced this week with permanent ones.

Who says you can't get things done in this town............ eventually. LOL

 

[turbanplanner]

In a shocking turn of developments, LOL........

The Main Street Station bus platform reconstruction project, which nominally wrapped up last September.........

Is now complete! The fast fences were replaced this week with permanent ones.

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Who says you can't get things done in this town............ eventually. LOL

the concrete looks awfully new, surprised the paint is more faded than the old section

 

[Amare]

Kipling between new Toronto street and Evans ave. A few years ago Horner was repaved and then immediately trenched.

I know the stretch you are talking about very well, there has been some kind of construction along that stretch of Kipling essentially every year for the part ~8 years. It's the epitome of mismanagement and bad coordination.

I wonder what the city is going to come up with next year for that stretch.