EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Hopefully they get sent a bill by the TTC for cleaning up their signs.
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bearcat
Active Member
Not a fan of the route diagram not following geography. The current route diagrams from the TTC seem fine to me.
kotsy
Senior Member
Hiring them to re-do all the signage would be a better idea.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
TTC station gets a makeover from volunteers
Go to https://www.ttcriders.ca/kingmakeover
and https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gHHCVyPmNvbtA89kyF0UFJkGRqvvvHQb for images.
nfitz
Superstar
Yes and no.
TTC still needs to better. But the one on the subway platform has text that's too small, for example.
Though that's probably not the point they are trying to make.
Shame the TTC isn't at fast at removing their old "temporary" signage.
txlseries4
Active Member
More than the other signs I thought the addition of the station name below the TTC sign at street level stood out. I rarely use Line 1 and even less so King Station, so I checked Google Street View to see where it says the station name — and honestly, it was shocking how long it took me to find “King” anywhere. And that’s with the ability to zoom around instantly. What does that mean for people trying to navigate in real time?
For regular commuters it’s fine. But for everyone else? I only found one street-level sign at 3 King W but it faces parallel to the street and is invisible unless you're at the right angle. People miss things right in front of them all the time, so having just one poorly positioned sign is... not good.
There are plenty of reasons someone might not know what station they’re at, near, or where the entrance is. Sure, the stairwell signs say “King” but only on the inside wall. The lack of clear, visible signage contributes to confusion, and there are plenty of people who already don't love taking transit or who find it an uneasy experience, women especially. To not make the experience as easy as possible is just shooting themselves in the foot. The culmination of this stuff makes people avoid transit and willing to pay a premium for alternatives, and it has never been easier for someone to find another way to get around even if they don't drive a car. The TTC could fix this easily and unlike so many other things, it's within their control.
NYC has similar sidewalk entrances but at least they have signage within the line of sight of someone walking:
Compare that to King and Yonge looking East. Nothing to indicate on either entrance from this POV what station it is (or that it IS a station entrance) and the left doesn't even have a TTC sign. The area has a handful of hotels nearby... if you're from out of town and this is your view, do you know where the station entrance is? Are you sure? Maybe you have to cross the street and get to the thing with the red sign. But people are just standing around it, is it just a streetcar stop? Obviously I'm making up a stream of thoughts, but there is nothing clear about this design pattern. Just brutal.
For regular commuters it’s fine. But for everyone else? I only found one street-level sign at 3 King W but it faces parallel to the street and is invisible unless you're at the right angle. People miss things right in front of them all the time, so having just one poorly positioned sign is... not good.
There are plenty of reasons someone might not know what station they’re at, near, or where the entrance is. Sure, the stairwell signs say “King” but only on the inside wall. The lack of clear, visible signage contributes to confusion, and there are plenty of people who already don't love taking transit or who find it an uneasy experience, women especially. To not make the experience as easy as possible is just shooting themselves in the foot. The culmination of this stuff makes people avoid transit and willing to pay a premium for alternatives, and it has never been easier for someone to find another way to get around even if they don't drive a car. The TTC could fix this easily and unlike so many other things, it's within their control.
NYC has similar sidewalk entrances but at least they have signage within the line of sight of someone walking:
Compare that to King and Yonge looking East. Nothing to indicate on either entrance from this POV what station it is (or that it IS a station entrance) and the left doesn't even have a TTC sign. The area has a handful of hotels nearby... if you're from out of town and this is your view, do you know where the station entrance is? Are you sure? Maybe you have to cross the street and get to the thing with the red sign. But people are just standing around it, is it just a streetcar stop? Obviously I'm making up a stream of thoughts, but there is nothing clear about this design pattern. Just brutal.
11th
Senior Member
I would eliminate some of the words on the platform direction signs. The only words on it should be street/building names/addresses.
Exit should be a pictogram (running man, or an arrow out of a box). Instead of repeating "streetcar and bus", which are already denoted by pictograms, putting route numbers may be more useful.
Montreal has a pretty good system - although they have stuck with word for exit.
https://www.stm.info/en/about/major_projects/major-metro-projects/new-signage
ARG1
Senior Member
Why'd they have to include that god forsaken T...
max
Active Member
I'm convinced there's a Metrolinx consultant who's a secret fan of Brave New World
"All crosses had their tops cut and became T's. There was also a thing called God."
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
I really hope the TTC can make progress on the new wayfinding strategy.
My biggest single ask would be actual dedicated next train displays and a good number of them per platform:
My biggest single ask would be actual dedicated next train displays and a good number of them per platform:
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Would be nice if the very next train that is "out-of-service" displays that it is "out-of-service" and show the arrival/departure time of the following train.,,
...unless that train is also "out-of-service".
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Given that metrolinx wayfinding is going to be the norm on Line 6, the Ontario line, and the Scarborough subway, should the TTC even bother and just adopt the Metrolinx one? The system will look more and more disjointed as all the wayfinding will change depending on who's project it was, even though it's all ostensibly the TTC running it.
I'm not sure I love the Metrolinx version, but I think at least being consistent across the system is better, plus you can probably get Metrolinx to pay for changing all the signage
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
Oh they 100% should adopt the metrolinx standards.
But knowing the smug “we are the best and how dare you question us” attitude of the TTC, I doubt that will happen without uploading the entire TTC to the province.
T3G
Senior Member
Good thing Metrolinx are famed for their humility????
MisterF
Senior Member
The T would be fine if they limited its use to rapid transit. But they use it for transit in general including bus stops. Which is exactly how the TTC logo is used. Neither one is particularly useful to identify subway and LRT stations.