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New York and Toronto both have the same problem with older/incompatible infrastructure and excessive costs for platform screen doors.

The MTA’s solution for now is fixed, half height barriers covering most of the platform.

I’m not quite convinced it was worth it or will be very effective, but we’ll see.

 
I am baffled. What problem are they hoping will be solved by this installation? The article doesn't seem to be too clear - the only reference being in this quote:

At the 191st Street station, the uptown platform barriers were installed on January 19, and the downtown platform barriers were installed on January 20.
"This is a terrific move by the MTA to increase passenger safety as well as perception of safety," said Gridlock Sam Schwartz, Longtime Transportation Engineer. "You could be sure I will be standing behind these barriers wherever they are provided."

A handful of commuters said they are hopeful that the barriers will make their travels safer.

"I think it's a great idea," one rider said. "I do that whole trick where I stand behind a pillar already, so I guess that does make sense to avoid someone pushing you," said another rider.

If the concern is about people being pushed into the tracks, I can see that being quasi effective, but only provided that the would-be victim is standing behind that barrier, and not along any other part of the platform. And I hardly see how this is a deterrant against jumpers.
 
New York and Toronto both have the same problem with older/incompatible infrastructure and excessive costs for platform screen doors.

The MTA’s solution for now is fixed, half height barriers covering most of the platform.

I’m not quite convinced it was worth it or will be very effective, but we’ll see.


Absurd. (the project, not you)

The wide openings mean you're not precluding suicide at all; you're far from 100% preventing a pushing incident, intentional or otherwise; and the 1/2 height means you're also doing virtually nothing to inhibit litter and the associated fire/smoke issues, when the same contacts the 3rd rail or a spark from train wheels.

It also does nothing to impair willful trespass at track level.

Finally, one look at 191st Street station, with hoarding here/there and everywhere, moribund floors and absent ceiling finishes suggests there might be other priority investments to make the subway more appealing.

Note that I am all in favour of 3/4 or full-height PEDs; but this is not that.
 
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My thought was that perhaps MTA were testing how well trains would align with doors before a permanent install - perhaps they think that painted guidelines on the platforms aren’t sufficient, especially if they were also modelling passenger clumping on the platform?

If this were a permanent install it would seem a bit of a waste.
 

Crombie promises to install platform edge doors in Toronto subway stations if elected​


From https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/onta...edge-doors-at-ttc-subway-stations-if-elected/

Ontario Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie is promising to install barriers on all TTC subway platforms in Toronto if she becomes premier, an idea that has long been studied by TTC staff but could potentially cost billions if implemented across the network.

“We know that over a million people ride the TTC each and every day, and for myself and for others, there’s situations where you just don’t feel safe,” Crombie said, standing outside Line 2’s Kennedy Station Friday. “You have people using the TTC as a shelter, for somewhere to come in out the cold. There are times on our subway cars where, quite frankly, you just feel unsafe.”

She pointed out there have been stabbings and assaults at various stations and said more must be done.

The TTC’s latest capital budget lists platform edge doors as one of the unfunded items on a wishlist for modernizing the TTC over the next 15 years. The transit agency pegs the cost of installing the barriers across the system at $4.1 billion.

Asked about the expense of the project Friday, Crombie said “if that is the price of safety, then so be it.”

She added that the project might not be done all at once.

“I want people to ride the subway. We’ll make it as safe and secure as possible. Obviously, we would start with the most trafficked stations like Yonge and Bloor, like St. George, like Kennedy. So we would start with the high-traffic stations, and perhaps roll it out later.”

Platform edge doors are already a part of the TTC’s plans for the massive overhaul of Bloor-Yonge Station.

Crombie said she has not spoken with Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow about the proposal so far, but plans to have a sit-down with her at some point to discuss various ideas.

Crombie also announced Friday that she would hire 300 special constables across various provincial transit agencies – such as the TTC, Ottawa’s OC Transpo and Metrolinx – in order to make public transit safer.
 
I also posted this in the election thread.

As with there, I will note that this promise, which is for every subway station, can only actually be implemented on Line 1 in the near term as it requires ATC to be in operation and all rolling stock to be equipped for same.
it should be noted that while she promises these things it can only be done if TTC and Toronto elects to do it themselves. shes just the money, so in a sense its a partially false promise that she cant keep on her own.
 
it should be noted that while she promises these things it can only be done if TTC and Toronto elects to do it themselves. shes just the money, so in a sense its a partially false promise that she cant keep on her own.

Toronto has already approved PEDs in principle, they are a line item in the Capital Plan, its simply that they are unfunded except for Bloor-Yonge.
 
Toronto has already approved PEDs in principle, they are a line item in the Capital Plan, its simply that they are unfunded except for Bloor-Yonge.
They are funded for both Yonge and Bloor? Or just Bloor - though that might be tricky if ATC isn't running.'

I'd assume the design allows for the weight of them, for any new platforms these days.
 
They are funded for both Yonge and Bloor? Or just Bloor - though that might be tricky if ATC isn't running.'

I'd assume the design allows for the weight of them, for any new platforms these days.

The Line 1 platforms - full implementation. Line 2, future proofing, but no doors.
 
I hadn't realised there was extensive work planed for the Line 1 portion of the station, other than the new entrances. That's good new then.

Line 1/2 massively enlarged concourses/mezzanines.

Line 1 - PEDs, completely new finishes. Platform lights might stay, not sure on that, but new ceilings, new tiles, new signage, new seating.

Line 2 - New platform, realigned/expanded stairs/escalators to existing platform, PED future proofing, new entrance at extreme east end of platform.

Hudson's Bay Centre Entrance - significant enlargement.
 
It would be nice if they improved the western Line 2 entrance, to enter the underground connection just south of it under Yonge - or nearby. It always feels like you walk out of those steps, with the building connection on the other side of the wall.
 
So.... I'm checking on the permits for the CreatoTO project at 777 Victoria Park Ave........... and I run across something else of interest:

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