stevedean
Active Member
I think that's a good point! I just wonder if it would be even more successful if it was fully enclosed from the elements.
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AnnetteMeetsJane
Active Member
If you are so invested in whether The Well is busy or not, why don't you just get off your keyboard and go and look for yourself? What is your issue with a place that impacts on your life so little?
Mariner35
New Member
It's definitely a valid consideration. I do however think that the limited amount of extreme weather events that could be avoided if it was fully enclosed is offset by the proximity to thousands of homes and a good enough mix of retailers that you'll be driven to the mall for essentials and then stop off at the other stores. While the "destination" aspect does lose its shine if the weather is as bad as it was, on the flip side, there was not a snowballs chance in hell I would be going to the Eaton Centre or Yorkdale to shop during that storm or the next few weeks. So I guess the Well wins here with the amount of residences close by and planned to be built nearby in the future.
stevedean
Active Member
I'm not going to an open-air mall in -15 degree weather.
I thought this website was about discussing projects??
GenerationLee
Senior Member
Bah, quit it! You're making me hungry.
Northern Light
Superstar
@stevedean
Pretty please, roll back the personal stuff. It will cause you trouble w/the Mods (I am not one) but that besides it isn't necessary.
Yes, you're getting aggressive push back; but it's on a position on which you've taken not only a bit of a contrarian view, but a rather firm one.
Perhaps we can move on from that now........
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I'm not going to tell you which retailers, or the exact numbers, but I do have access to the per ft2 sales numbers for more than one non-food court retailer here.
They've very, very good.
As in third highest in the GTA, for one multi-outlet chain.
Lots of other solid numbers.
The complex is definitely not failing to attract customers.
I don't have data for January yet; but I do for Christmas......and many suburban malls wish they had 1/2 the per ft2 numbers here.
January will be down, but it's almost always the slowest month of the year as people recover from holiday spending.
Pretty please, roll back the personal stuff. It will cause you trouble w/the Mods (I am not one) but that besides it isn't necessary.
Yes, you're getting aggressive push back; but it's on a position on which you've taken not only a bit of a contrarian view, but a rather firm one.
Perhaps we can move on from that now........
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I'm not going to tell you which retailers, or the exact numbers, but I do have access to the per ft2 sales numbers for more than one non-food court retailer here.
They've very, very good.
As in third highest in the GTA, for one multi-outlet chain.
Lots of other solid numbers.
The complex is definitely not failing to attract customers.
I don't have data for January yet; but I do for Christmas......and many suburban malls wish they had 1/2 the per ft2 numbers here.
January will be down, but it's almost always the slowest month of the year as people recover from holiday spending.
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Mariner35
New Member
Perhaps best to get back on topic. The Well is a great addition to the neighbourhood and I think the outdoor mall aspect provides a distinct destination (Outside of extreme weather events) that offers a new and exciting option to the many indoor malls in the city. Several people I know have expressed their desire to explore the Well and the great restaurants it has and once they do always provide the same feedback (It's cool and I want to go back). A net positive to the area.
I don't think the outdoor aspect is a detriment to the space and if anything it's offset by the malls incredible popularity during warm weather. The tenants will likely change over the years (as with any mall regardless of how many walls) but it's not going anywhere or adding walls.
It's not for everyone to explore it in extreme cold but the people that live in the area will continue to go to the stores there regardless of the weather. Similar to how people are going to walk or travel in extreme weather to get to their closest shopping destination else where in the city. I'd expect major malls see a similar shift in traffic dependant on the population close to them during snow storms or cold weather.
Also this mall has great underground parking. Once you know the car is safe, if you choose to use that form of transportation, it really doesn't make a difference if the mall has walls or not.
generalcanada
Senior Member
I mean sure youre paying a premium for the location, but if the rent is higher than the suburban malls. is it worth it?
Northern Light
Superstar
You're certainly paying a premium compared with generic street retail near downtown. But it's a whole lot less than the Eaton Centre or Yorkdale, at least for the spaces I've seen.
So I would say the answer is yes, the value is there.
Towered
Superstar
Towered
Superstar
Last pic is from inside the Indigo, where Propeller Coffee is set up - go to my Cozy Cafes thread to see more
stevedean
Active Member
First off, thank you for actually going and taking photos.
Second, If you look at my comments earlier, I did not question the indoor food court success - it's fully enclosed and has always been popular when I've gone.
Third, I never said there would be NO one there - I questioned whether there would be more people and the retail stores would be more successful if the mall was fully enclosed. Compared to Eaton Centre, those pictures make it look a bit like a ghost town.
And as I said before, it's brand new and it has a "cool" factor to it. What happens when that fades in a few years?
Is it really so bad that someone questions the design of a project?
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karledice
Senior Member
I think it's fine that you question designs.
Everyone has a different opinion.
Debate and convo is what makes this forum alive and active.
Everyone has a different opinion.
Debate and convo is what makes this forum alive and active.
Towered
Superstar
For clarity, despite my presence there at an awkward, non-busy time of day (2:45 pm), it was definitely not a ghost town. Don't let my pictures fool you - there were more people walking around and inside the shops (even on the upper levels) than it seems because I purposely try to avoid taking pictures with people in them, because 1) I think it's a tad invasive of people's privacy (even though yes we are in the public realm), and 2) I want the beautiful architecture, design, and materials used to be the star of the show without the distractions of random people polluting the photos
Bayer
Senior Member
There is space for all kinds of environments in this city, and from the many pictures I have seen here, the Well is an impressive development. I will likely not go any time soon because I hate shopping (I rented an office for 8 years in the Eaton Centre and I almost never shopped there), and the current weather is too similar to that of Québec City and I thought I was done with that forever! It's not for me, but I don't think the design is flawed because of that.