stevedean said:
Yes the food court is always busy when I've been in the past (summer/spring).

While I know that all retail usually takes a hit in Jan-Feb (Christmas hangover + weather) - I still think it was a very silly decision to build a mall not protected from the cold in Toronto... it's like we forgot that we actually have cold winters in this city!
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I don't really understand the issue... Queen street is super busy these days. It's not an indoor mall. Same thing on College, Bloor, etc.
 
BejewelledCarp said:
I don't really understand the issue... Queen street is super busy these days. It's not an indoor mall. Same thing on College, Bloor, etc.
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Its completely different to compare on-street stores with easy access, to a mall that you have to go to and then walk to your desired store. Malls are generally meant as a destination where you can stroll around casually. I find it hard to believe that anyone is strolling around The Well in -15 weather.
 
stevedean said:
Its completely different to compare on-street stores with easy access, to a mall that you have to go to and then walk to your desired store. Malls are generally meant as a destination where you can stroll around casually. I find it hard to believe that anyone is strolling around The Well in -15 weather.
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Keep grilling up that delicious nothingburger.
 
Towered said:
Keep grilling up that delicious nothingburger.
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Is it a nothingburger? or is this website so enamoured by this project they can't see the truth right in front of them?

How's foot traffic the last 2 months? How are the retail stores performing? (not the indoor food court). How successful will this project be once the shiny new feeling fades away?
 
stevedean said:
Is it a nothingburger? or is this website so enamoured by this project they can't see the truth right in front of them?

How's foot traffic the last 2 months? How are the retail stores performing? (not the indoor food court). How successful will this project be once the shiny new feeling fades away?
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You don't seem to have actual answers to these questions lol. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are just assuming the foot traffic is bad and the stores are performing poorly. Perhaps that's true. But you provide no data. Not even your own anecdotal experience.

If you said something like "I went to the The Well a few times in the last couple of months and the stores looked empty and the hallways were knee deep in snow" then people might take your concerns more seriously.
 
bearcat said:
You don't see to have actual answers to these questions lol. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are just assuming the foot traffic is bad and the stores are performing poorly. Perhaps that's true. But you provide no data. Not even your own anecdotal experience.
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Yes I'm making assumptions - that's why I've asked here twice and no one has provided any info (even anecdotal) or photos.

Let's see how successful this thing is in 2030 when it's no longer "cool"
 
stevedean said:
Its completely different to compare on-street stores with easy access, to a mall that you have to go to and then walk to your desired store. Malls are generally meant as a destination where you can stroll around casually. I find it hard to believe that anyone is strolling around The Well in -15 weather.
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As opposed to Queen Street where people "have to go to" and "then walk to [their] desired store"? How do you manage to explain busy ice rinks in the winter with this line of thinking, or do you think they're just empty? People who want to play hockey or leisurely skate bear the cold to do it. The same goes for a large amount of people who live in Toronto and enjoy shopping -- they dress for the weather.
stevedean said:
Yes I'm making assumptions - that's why I've asked here twice and no one has provided any info (even anecdotal) or photos.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say there isn't a big overlap in the Venn diagram between frequent visitors to Urban Toronto and people who really like to go shopping...
 
I guess this project is 100% a success according to UrbanToronto folks! No need for debate. No room for questions.

This is one of those "holy grails" that this website simply accepts as being perfect. Okay then :)
 
stevedean said:
I guess this project is 100% a success according to UrbanToronto folks! No need for debate. No room for questions.

This is one of those "holy grails" that this website simply accepts as being perfect. Okay then :)
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My girlfriend lives at the condos on Bathurst and Front and we visit the Well often. I can anecdotally say that the stores are generally as full as any other stores you'd find on street. Indigo, Shoppers, Lululemon etc are well patroned. The more specific stores such as Structube and Adidas are as patroned as you'd expect furniture and athletic clothing stores to be. For example I had to go to the Structube on College to see an item that was not at the Well location and it was dead compared to Well location at a similar time of day. The restaurants continue to have limited resos on OpenTable. Especially through Winterlicious. The cold does not seem to be making an impact.

I'd also point you to the Toronto Premium Outlets in Halton Hills. An outdoor mall that is full to the brim no matter the weather.
 
kev1n1m said:
There you go @stevedean. Will you be quiet now that an anecdote has been provided? Or will you continue to flood this thread with nonsense.
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Ahh asking questions or debating the success of a project is considered nonsense?

Wouldn't expect anything less from a senior member of this site.
 
Mariner35 said:
My girlfriend lives at the condos on Bathurst and Front and we visit the Well often. I can anecdotally say that the stores are generally as full as any other stores you'd find on street. Indigo, Shoppers, Lululemon etc are well patroned. The more specific stores such as Structube and Adidas are as patroned as you'd expect furniture and athletic clothing stores to be. For example I had to go to the Structube on College to see an item that was not at the Well location and it was dead compared to Well location at a similar time of day. The restaurants continue to have limited resos on OpenTable. Especially through Winterlicious. The cold does not seem to be making an impact.

I'd also point you to the Toronto Premium Outlets in Halton Hills. An outdoor mall that is full to the brim no matter the weather.
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Let's just say that it's not quite the same clientele
 
stevedean said:
Ahh asking questions or debating the success of a project is considered nonsense?

Wouldn't expect anything less from a senior member of this site.
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I think one thing to remember is the large amount of condos above and within walking distance. I went to the Shoppers mid storm to grab some basics (Farm Boy was closed). It was rammed. The benefit was likely because it was covered and semi protected and you didn't need to really traverse in the snow that much to get to any of the other stores. Once you got to the covered area it made a massive difference to my mood for sure lol
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Let's just say that it's not quite the same clientele
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Not quite the same clientele however I don't think it changes the fact that an outdoor mall is well patroned in the Great White North.
 
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