How much space does the Canadian Infrastructure Bank take up? think more in line with this scale regardless of location....
 
Politics will dictate that Toronto doest get it. Toronto is a safe Liberal stronghold and they will bow to Quebec for opportunities to win seats in Quebec in future elections, that shouldn't be on who gets chosen but that's the political reality.
 
ComptoirGeneral said:
What are you basing that on exactly? Canada has been selected as the host country, why could it not be Toronto?
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Montréal very active. They pitch their bid at the last LPC convention. They have already identified a few spots. The fact Isabelle Hudon helped land this for Canada and her ties with Montréal I do consider Montréal the front runner. Toronto the obvious choice but I dont see the city very active. Toronto need to step up their game because Montréal will not go down without a fight. Hopefully Toronto will be selected. Definitely my choice. Ottawa as capital would be the best decision politically, however. Less anger on all side and easier to justify.
 
Dreambig1 said:
As much as I would love Toronto for the DSRB, I have a feeling it will end up in Montreal; there is already a UN Aviation Agency there, but you never know. With the amount of space this needs, I would love a Deutsche Bank-style building for this
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I think you are onto something here. A new 64s office tower proposal popped up late last year on Rue St-Jacques next to Place Bonaventure as part of the South Block project. Nothing except for a rendering or two has been provided at this time and I don’t believe any formal documents have been submitted yet.

I know there has been discussion re potential security requirements, but we have yet to see exactly what kind of level they will need, it all depends on if this is going to resemble more of a traditional bank or lean into the realm of a military complex. This all being said though, it is absolutely possible to build a secure office tower in an urban area, there are many examples, such as the NDHQ Pearkes complex in Ottawa and the former AT&T Long Lines tower in NYC (although that one is pretty extreme). I largely agree though that the current slate of Toronto office tower proposals most likely will not fit their needs (assuming they will need enhanced security measures) without significant redesigns, as these towers have pretty open designs at street level.
 
ericmacm said:
A new 64s office tower proposal popped up late last year on Rue St-Jacques next to Place Bonaventure as part of the South Block project.
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Have municipal height restrictions been lifted in Montreal? 64 commercial stories certainly exceeds the limit.

ericmacm said:
This all being said though, it is absolutely possible to build a secure office tower in an urban area,
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I don’t know that anyone would contest this, but specifically this Oxford site is likely too small.

I think the best opportunities for almost-greenfield, almost-downtown construction of this would be First Parliament, East Harbour, Moss Park Armoury, or Fort York Armoury.
 
UtakataNoAnnex said:
I would have just said it needs to withstand being bombed by the Americans. And a glass bank tower just wouldn't cut that.
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We are not building the new bankers a bunker that could withstand a U.S. bunker buster. I don't know how deep underground that would have be.....but it's a lot.
 
Northern Light said:
We are not building the new bankers a bunker that could withstand a U.S. bunker buster. I don't know how deep underground that would have be.....but it's a lot.
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...I mean they could build it under Yorkdale Shopping Centre, Stranger Things style. And if Oxford is looking to add more office space there, that is. đŸ˜¼
 
ericmacm said:
I think you are onto something here. A new 64s office tower proposal popped up late last year on Rue St-Jacques next to Place Bonaventure as part of the South Block project. Nothing except for a rendering or two has been provided at this time and I don’t believe any formal documents have been submitted yet.

I know there has been discussion re potential security requirements, but we have yet to see exactly what kind of level they will need, it all depends on if this is going to resemble more of a traditional bank or lean into the realm of a military complex. This all being said though, it is absolutely possible to build a secure office tower in an urban area, there are many examples, such as the NDHQ Pearkes complex in Ottawa and the former AT&T Long Lines tower in NYC (although that one is pretty extreme). I largely agree though that the current slate of Toronto office tower proposals most likely will not fit their needs (assuming they will need enhanced security measures) without significant redesigns, as these towers have pretty open designs at street level.
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The office proposal you mentioned was the reason I was thinking this, and even mentioned the UN Agency
 
For better or worse, Quebec just cares a lot more about DSRB-type matters than Ontario. If Montreal isn't selected -- and, to be clear, something called a "Bank" should obviously be in Toronto on the merits -- it will be a huge deal. Legault and other senior politicians will inveigh against the unfairness of the choice, there will be weeks of columns in the Journal and La Presse about "betrayal," and Carney will hear from furious Quebec MPs.

Whereas if Toronto loses out, it will be a one-day story and everyone will move on. Landing these federal and international institutions has never been a big part of economic-development thinking in Ontario; perhaps it should be.

Between the lines, the statement from Toronto Global reveals a serious concern that the fix is in for Montreal:

"We are ready to compete on the merits. We are asking Ottawa to give every bidder that chance through a transparent process with published criteria."
 
allabootmatt said:
For better or worse, Quebec just cares a lot more about DSRB-type matters than Ontario. If Montreal isn't selected -- and, to be clear, something called a "Bank" should obviously be in Toronto on the merits -- it will be a huge deal. Legault and other senior politicians will inveigh against the unfairness of the choice, there will be weeks of columns in the Journal and La Presse about "betrayal," and Carney will hear from furious Quebec MPs.

Whereas if Toronto loses out, it will be a one-day story and everyone will move on. Landing these federal and international institutions has never been a big part of economic-development thinking in Ontario; perhaps it should be.

Between the lines, the statement from Toronto Global reveals a serious concern that the fix is in for Montreal:

"We are ready to compete on the merits. We are asking Ottawa to give every bidder that chance through a transparent process with published criteria."
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Legault isn't the Premier of Quebec anymore, for the record
 
allabootmatt said:
For better or worse, Quebec just cares a lot more about DSRB-type matters than Ontario. If Montreal isn't selected -- and, to be clear, something called a "Bank" should obviously be in Toronto on the merits -- it will be a huge deal. Legault and other senior politicians will inveigh against the unfairness of the choice, there will be weeks of columns in the Journal and La Presse about "betrayal," and Carney will hear from furious Quebec MPs.

Whereas if Toronto loses out, it will be a one-day story and everyone will move on. Landing these federal and international institutions has never been a big part of economic-development thinking in Ontario; perhaps it should be.

Between the lines, the statement from Toronto Global reveals a serious concern that the fix is in for Montreal:

"We are ready to compete on the merits. We are asking Ottawa to give every bidder that chance through a transparent process with published criteria."
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DSRB going to Montreal because they'll throw a tantrum otherwise....how silly.
 
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