[mcbg1]

Will this completely block the views looking south from the Goode condo?

 

[Tyrang]

I’d initially been meh about Goode, but was really pleased with how it turned out and the quality of productions. Seeing them brick the podium by hand instead of slapping up full day-panels was unexpected but welcome.

That being said, the triangle lands that these sit on were supposed to have a height limitation, but for whatever reason they said screw it- let’s pretend like another pricey condo is going to single handedly solve the housing crisis so the developers can cash a cheque; then put together a basic ass glass wall.

I’m also never a fan of them slamming buildings so close together, so seeing the podiums this close makes me shake my head.

It doesn’t compliment the distillery it doesn’t fit the site, it’s an ugly cash grab. But hey, that’s solely my opinion and anyone else can dig it and tell us it’s the best building in the city *shrug*

I understand the sentiment, but if some buildings has to be taller, I think we will just need to make sure that the core part of Old Town and Distillery stays lower to keep up with the overall style.

I think give or take this area will need to be protected. Taller buildings can be stood up around this rectangle but everything inside should a) be no taller than a regular mid-rise, b) follow the brick style buildings.

Side note - I always think this area should be a pedestrian corridor.

 

[xmyth_]

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I understand the sentiment, but if some buildings has to be taller, I think we will just need to make sure that the core part of Old Town and Distillery stays lower to keep up with the overall style.

I think give or take this area will need to be protected. Taller buildings can be stood up around this rectangle but everything inside should a) be no taller than a regular mid-rise, b) follow the brick style buildings.

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Side note - I always think this area should be a pedestrian corridor.

I came up with David Miller invoking Jane Jacobs and Barbara Hall’s “two kings” plan- which was all the rage at the time. Everyone was retroactively raving about the how the Grange Apartments were density at its finest, and cries to tear down the Gardiner were on the rise.

But now you’re a nimby who hates poor people if you question towers as density. And the same people who swore that the Gardiner “cuts the city off from the lake” are giving a standing ovation to the curtain of towers along Queens Quay. Like, are we thinking things out or just following trends?

I feel like 31 is being jammed in for profit not planning. And it’ll be interesting to see what the distillery looks like 5yrs later. Will the influx in residents do great business for current shops? Or will the need for something more than Fluevog mean our old Victorian factory gets populated by a chiropractor, shoppers, and BMO?

I’m unsure how to feel about that myself. On one hand, you put all these people here and need to provide them with regular goods and services. On the other you’ve ruined a unique tourist destination by putting residents here who need non-touristy things

The Distillery isn’t The Well.

Some days I wish it was, but other days I mourn the loss of Artscape, because now Case Goods is pretty much off limits. Anyways, that was a ramble.

 

[Tyrang]

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I came up with David Miller invoking Jane Jacobs and Barbara Hall’s “two kings” plan- which was all the rage at the time. Everyone was retroactively raving about the how the Grange Apartments were density at its finest, and cries to tear down the Gardiner were on the rise.

But now you’re a nimby who hates poor people if you question towers as density. And the same people who swore that the Gardiner “cuts the city off from the lake” are giving a standing ovation to the curtain of towers along Queens Quay. Like, are we thinking things out or just following trends?

I feel like 31 is being jammed in for profit not planning. And it’ll be interesting to see what the distillery looks like 5yrs later. Will the influx in residents do great business for current shops? Or will the need for something more than Fluevog mean our old Victorian factory gets populated by a chiropractor, shoppers, and BMO?

I’m unsure how to feel about that myself. On one hand, you put all these people here and need to provide them with regular goods and services. On the other you’ve ruined a unique tourist destination by putting residents here who need non-touristy things

The Distillery isn’t The Well.

Some days I wish it was, but other days I mourn the loss of Artscape, because now Case Goods is pretty much off limits. Anyways, that was a ramble.

I think most YIMBY, especially in this forum, are not the blind density at all cost type. Regular discussion has always been how do we keep heritage elements of a building or community while building density. I think for distillery, as long as they don't touch the core (in fact, they should expand distillery into the car sale center), I think it might be ok. I do feel you tho, I am hating that 40 floors proposal in the middle of Old Town for the same reason.

I mentioned this somewhere, but I have witnessed first hand that you don't necessarily need to separate locals and tourists that much when I visited the very hyped Ponce City and Krog Markets in Atlanta. The two can compliment each other by creating a more lively environment - a tourist is not gonna have less of an experience because of shoppers or a clinic being there. Local pubs are always more charming.

Btw, I am one of the Gardiner hater.... I probably will hate it less when the Bentway is fully completed .

 

[Collingwoodbuildinglover]

I'll be holding my breath until exterior work gets underway

 

[xmyth_]

I’m curious to see how the subway gets underground, how it effects the final build on triangle lands, and whether it has any effect on quality of life for the three projects on the site. 31 was being proposed and planned for in 2016, three years before the Ontario Line was announced, and while I’m sure

I think most YIMBY, especially in this forum, are not the blind density at all cost type. Regular discussion has always been how do we keep heritage elements of a building or community while building density. I think for distillery, as long as they don't touch the core (in fact, they should expand distillery into the car sale center), I think it might be ok. I do feel you tho, I am hating that 40 floors proposal in the middle of Old Town for the same reason.

I mentioned this somewhere, but I have witnessed first hand that you don't necessarily need to separate locals and tourists that much when I visited the very hyped Ponce City and Krog Markets in Atlanta. The two can compliment each other by creating a more lively environment - a tourist is not gonna have less of an experience because of shoppers or a clinic being there. Local pubs are always more charming.

Btw, I am one of the Gardiner hater.... I probably will hate it less when the Bentway is fully completed .

during Pan Am Games I watched a tourist couple start down Parliament, then look at their map, then back towards the Gardiner - then turn around and walk North.

Maybe having Goode and 31 by the underpass will help folks get close enough to peer down the street to Aqualuna and make it underneath the Gardiner.

But also maybe once all the Eastern Bayfront is full of towers, folks can just reach out their window to do maintenance

I imagine we’re going to sandwich the expressway with so much density, it won’t be what blocks folks from the lake.

Going by others pictures It does look like there’s more distance between the podium and train tracks than there is between the podiums of 31 and Goode.

 

[Natika33]

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I came up with David Miller invoking Jane Jacobs and Barbara Hall’s “two kings” plan- which was all the rage at the time. Everyone was retroactively raving about the how the Grange Apartments were density at its finest, and cries to tear down the Gardiner were on the rise.

But now you’re a nimby who hates poor people if you question towers as density. And the same people who swore that the Gardiner “cuts the city off from the lake” are giving a standing ovation to the curtain of towers along Queens Quay. Like, are we thinking things out or just following trends?

I feel like 31 is being jammed in for profit not planning. And it’ll be interesting to see what the distillery looks like 5yrs later. Will the influx in residents do great business for current shops? Or will the need for something more than Fluevog mean our old Victorian factory gets populated by a chiropractor, shoppers, and BMO?

I’m unsure how to feel about that myself. On one hand, you put all these people here and need to provide them with regular goods and services. On the other you’ve ruined a unique tourist destination by putting residents here who need non-touristy things

The Distillery isn’t The Well.

Some days I wish it was, but other days I mourn the loss of Artscape, because now Case Goods is pretty much off limits. Anyways, that was a ramble.

Neighbourhoods being different & unique from each other is what makes a city interesting, so I agree that some thought should be given to preserving the character or flavour of a district. I think the issue is that NIMBYS have abused the old consultation processes so much in recent years that no one wants to listen anymore even if the criticisms might be valid.

I also miss Artscape and hope the Distillery does not get filled with Shopper's and banks, etc.

 

[xmyth_]

Neighbourhoods being different & unique from each other is what makes a city interesting, so I agree that some thought should be given to preserving the character or flavour of a district. I think the issue is that NIMBYS have abused the old consultation processes so much in recent years that no one wants to listen anymore even if the criticisms might be valid.

I also miss Artscape and hope the Distillery does not get filled with Shopper's and banks, etc.

Between the three buildings on the triangle lands and Cherry House, that’s about (2,400 units x 1.5 residents =) 3,600 people who are going to have veeerrrrry strong opinions on the Christmas Market after moving in.

It’s going to be an interesting fight as residential intensifies. But you can already note the changes.

There are now more services than art galleries, and case goods is closed to random traffic. Maybe this continues until the buildings contain residential services and there’s more shipping containers for interesting pop-ups like Eataly or Jelly Cat. Perhaps things go more wedding if and when that hotel gets built.

This project originally touted 4,000sq ft of retail- with someone pointing out that space was submerged to some extent- unclear where it is now. But it remains to be seen if 31 and Goode will host some of the more pedestrian needs of residents so distillery can be arty.

 

[mcbg1]

Neighbourhoods being different & unique from each other is what makes a city interesting, so I agree that some thought should be given to preserving the character or flavour of a district. I think the issue is that NIMBYS have abused the old consultation processes so much in recent years that no one wants to listen anymore even if the criticisms might be valid.

I also miss Artscape and hope the Distillery does not get filled with Shopper's and banks, etc.

The area does need a Shoppers though. The one at Queen and Parliament closed for a now cancelled condo development

 

[xmyth_]

The area does need a Shoppers though. The one at Queen and Parliament closed for a now cancelled condo development

Distillery/canary was almost equidistant between the Queen location, appx 1.1km. So I always felt it was prime for one just for pharmaceutical needs. The bizarre decision to go do another Shoppers near Queens Quay and Jarvis just tells me I haven’t the foggiest about their logic in placement, I could see Rexall considering an oddly place retail spot like 31 offers, not shoppers. But who knows

 

[rdaner]

Shoppers will likely go into Cherry House in the summer as well as a good breakfast place (hopefully)! The Shoppers on QQE is a signal that the arrangement on the northwest corner of Jarvis/QQE may be changing. And Leo’s Marché provides a lot of non-medical items that a drugstore does so things have improved on that front.

 

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[Collingwoodbuildinglover]

So was just looking at the way that the setbacks on this building will be and it actually shouldn't do too much damage to the views from good looks like they're at the first setback now

 

[rdaner]

Taken 4 March.

 

[Mihairokov]

Between the three buildings on the triangle lands and Cherry House, that’s about (2,400 units x 1.5 residents =) 3,600 people who are going to have veeerrrrry strong opinions on the Christmas Market after moving in.

It’s going to be an interesting fight as residential intensifies. But you can already note the change

Just catching up on this thread.

Distillery intensifying and adding thousands of residents is a good comparison to Queen/Sherbourne/Richmond doing the same, where ROQ and 49 Ontario and Celeste are going to be adding a lot of people to an area that both sorely needs more bodies but also has the bones to accommodate that densification. Distillery otoh has a specific time of year where it gets overwhelmingly busy without residents living there, to the extent that it's noticable on the 504 on King and traffic in general, and to the extent where adding thousands of bodies may actually be a real issue moving forward. I'm all-for the gentrification densification of Moss Park-Corktown-South Cabbagetown but in Distillery especially things will eventually come to a head as you allude to. If only the Ontario Line was opening a few years earlier so a lot of the upcoming further strain on traffic in the area could be alleviated.