nfitz
Superstar
I don't think how the opening is going to be phased has been discussed. Obviously day one service is not going to go as well as one-year in. Which is what we've seen on other projects - such as the problematic Line 2 opening in 1966.
drum118
Superstar
Three weeks is a very short window to do that fire station driveway compare to the nominal four week for haft of a driveway. It will be also the fastest of any intersection/driveway done to date. Queensway fire station took nine weeks. To do it in three weeks means the full driveway will be done on an 7/24 base. The only other thing taking place for this timeframe is utility work in two phases and rebuilding the street driveway.
I have recommended in the past that all intersections work be done on a 7/24 regardless what been built on X street with pedestrian crosswalks on both sides of that intersection at all times.
I thought I may tale a look at north end today starting at Derry but never happen.
That is the plan at this time.
There are three phases opening for this line. Phase 1 based on what being built at this time with transit priority. Phase two will be the MCC loop with service split in two around 2030. Phase three is the Brampton extension opening around 2035 under the current mining tunnel.
Mississauga needs to improve traffic management by putting a better monitoring system city wide especially for Hurontario and other major roads. This also applies Brampton and Peel.
nfitz
Superstar
I meant how the Phase 1 opening is being phased.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Thats exactly what I was thinking as well. I wonder how it'll look. Did they finish the one on Queensway yet? Id like to see what it looks like because I do have my concerns about people making u turns and getting stuck on the rail.
The city of Brampton has started putting what i believe to be analytic traffic cameras in multiple intersections to do traffic monitoring and analyze traffic flow during the day to address chokeholds. I believe Mississauga is doing something similar, or will be in the future.
urbanclient
Senior Member
If Line 10 opens in 2028, is there any indication that the loop will be completed 2 years after that? What stage are they at with designing the loop?
drum118
Superstar
Will open as one phase period from Steeles to Port Credit and no reason it cannot happen as one phase. All the building of the guideway will be done by fall with tracks been completed by year end. Overhead is the unknown thing at this time.. Only 4 intersections to be done in Brampton plus the one under construction. Mississauga has 5 intersections to be done and the 9 in total will take 8 weeks per intersection with 2-3 taking place at the same time. Never know if ML have a few of those intersections close 100% for e-w traffic that will take 4 weeks.
The last I heard that ML wants the revised EA done in less than one year and under the new EA standards, it can be done in 6-9 months. It is supposed to be ready to go for construction in one year at the same time which is odd unless ML is doing behind the scene tendering. Will it be a P3 or tender projection and what is the timeline for doing engineering drawing? Has any surveying taken place for any of the original plan loop and not aware of any?? As for time from start to finish for the loop, it could be 18-24 months with Burnhamthorpe taking six months unless done on an 7/24 base. 2030 would be a start for the timeframe as to when the loop may open
Since Mobilinx will not be part of either extension, ML will have to deal with Mobilinx for operation increase under a revise contract as well maintenance unless ML or X is looking after the maintenance other than the overhead. The length of the revise contract will end on the same date as of the phase one of 30 years.
nfitz
Superstar
Phased as in operating speeds, hours of operation, activation of advance signals.
The same way that the operation of Line 5s and 6s has been phased.
I'm not talkng about projects that are years from completion, or only operating part of the line.
drum118
Superstar
TTC will not be operating this line nor have any say in it. It will run like the ION line on day one. The big question is will the Alstom cars fall apart like Ottawa??
May 26
Sherobee, Paisley, and Pinewood intersections should be open as I post this. Maybe concrete has started for the southbound lanes crossing the tracks north of Englewood as very little wrapping of the rails needs to be done. Once pour and the road area pave for the area between the guideway and the road, traffic will move south from its current shifting area to the new location so the the guideway can be built between the two sections in June.
Pinewood intersection done other than stripping
Sherobee Intersection done
Paisley intersection is basely done other than backfilling the gap between the guideway and road along with striping
Tim MacDonald
Senior Member
June 1st.
I noticed the traffic signals at Indian Valley/Pinewood Trail had been activated. When I was by this stretch on May 29th the intersection was still closed.
North side of the QEW
Northbound Hurontario to Eastbound QEW ramp
At South Service rd.
Looking southbound at the QEW off ramp/South Service Road.
Indian Valley/Pinewood Trail reopened with Traffic signals
Looking south toward Mineola. This was as far as I got on this flight.
I noticed the traffic signals at Indian Valley/Pinewood Trail had been activated. When I was by this stretch on May 29th the intersection was still closed.
North side of the QEW
Northbound Hurontario to Eastbound QEW ramp
At South Service rd.
Looking southbound at the QEW off ramp/South Service Road.
Indian Valley/Pinewood Trail reopened with Traffic signals
Looking south toward Mineola. This was as far as I got on this flight.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Excited to see the intersections being complete. I just hope they won't have to be ripped up and fixed again. It's been far too long.TTC will not be operating this line nor have any say in it. It will run like the ION line on day one. The big question is will the Alstom cars fall apart like Ottawa??
May 26
Sherobee, Paisley, and Pinewood intersections should be open as I post this. Maybe concrete has started for the southbound lanes crossing the tracks north of Englewood as very little wrapping of the rails needs to be done. Once pour and the road area pave for the area between the guideway and the road, traffic will move south from its current shifting area to the new location so the the guideway can be built between the two sections in June.
Pinewood intersection done other than stripping
Sherobee Intersection done
Paisley intersection is basely done other than backfilling the gap between the guideway and road along with striping
drum118
Superstar
I cannot speak about Brampton, but Mississauga mandated to everyone before the line was tender that started that all services needed to be brought up to meet replacement of existing service as well meet future development beyond 2035. None of the corridor was to be touch for 10-15 years after the line open. 2034-2039 was the earliest anything could take place that is now 2038-2043.
Dundas intersection is being built for the BRT that will take place around 2029. We know Burnhamthorpe intersection will see some rebuilding for the wye when every it happens and the only work that will take place then.
Unless there is a major break in X, the only thing that needs to be done to any intersection from 2026 to 2040 is patch work for concrete and paving. Unless there is major issues with the LRV's on the rails, the rails should see work until 2043-2050.
drum118
Superstar
Great shots as usual and see a few new things from my last trip.
They have finally started on the south-west corner area For the North Service Rd as well the lane to the QEW. They have also started work on the north-east corner of the South Service Rd with the new curb in place for the ramp to the QEW that will shift east of where the ramp is now. I may have miss this on my last trip as I was looking at the centre area. They finally poured the northbound curb for the westbound lane to the QEW. You can see how much of the guideway poured at the QEW. Once the two corners are pave and open, traffic will be shifted to the new lanes to allow more of the guideway to be built. All intersections for the off/on QEW ramps will be built in two phases.
Hard to say how they will deal with the North Service Rd intersection from a full closure to two phases. Would be surprise to see a full closure regardless how much left turns takes place on a daily base forcing drivers to make a U-turn a Sherobee to go west or to the plaza and Sherobee to go south on Hurontario and east on the North Service Rd. This will be the last intersection that needs to be done in Mississauga other than Dundas, Pinetree and the QEW area,
The day I shot the Pinewood intersection, I had a feeling it would open until the traffic lights were working with Guild working on them. with the intersection open,, that driveway to the north should be close and being dug up to build the guideway to connect to the the ones on both side of it. This leave Pinetree the last intersection to be built for the guideway south of the QEW. I can see Pinetree been fully close that will force drivers to use Indian Valley to gain access to Hurontario that should take four weeks.
From just north side of the North Service Rd to the south of Pinetree is the last area where guideway has to be built on Hurontario south of King St Still on schedule to see all guideway built by September other than a few intersection without all track work being done.
Sauga89
Active Member
Dan416
Senior Member
I feel like these partial closures take too long. Fairview has been closed since I think May 7 and they've still only done half of it and haven't opened that half yet. Then they're going to have to do the other half so probably won't be done till August anyway.
drum118
Superstar
One reason I been calling for 7/24 work for AL intersection the last few years to reduce the timeframe to do the work..
By right, the south section should be open this week as it has been the standard 4 weeks to do a haft section, My right, Dundas should be done in 5 weeks, not the 8 weeks at this time and depending on what other work is going to take place.
Not only will Dundas be close, all of the centre area for the guideway construction from King St to Dundas. This mean all traffic will be right turn only to/from the plazas
One thing going against the construction is track work as ML taking crews off the corridor on the weekends to do track work for GO Transit closures.